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    Wieber's already confirmed to not be competing this year.

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    A lot is going to depend on Ohashi. I also wouldn't rule out Maroney as a potential AAer either. 14ish scores on UB and BB could give it to her, making Simone VT/FX. I think Simone has made too big a splash to not go to worlds in some form, and she's in reality maybe the best AA'er in the world if she put 4 events together. I think Ross, Maroney, Biles and one of Ohashi/Dowell/Price/Priessman.

    What happened to Rachel Gowey? Interested in seeing what Price, Desch, Vega, and Finnegan show up with at Nats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    Priessman looked far better than I expected from camp vids, if she can keep it up and hit 4/4 at Nationals then I would send her as the second AAer.
    Priessman's beam all but eliminates her as a potential AA. It's been a long time since she's hit a set. But maybe at Nationals.

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    I didn't watch the juniors, but Norah Flatley is quite impressive! Obviously needs more difficulty on on vault, but for her first competition of this magnitude she did outstanding. I can't wait to see how she develops under Chow!

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    As usual, juniors is always the most interesting of the two competitions, mainly because it's more competitive and you get to eye all the up and coming talent and think, hmm, I'm probably looking at a future Olympian, or multiple Olympians! Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure I saw all the girls from the 2012 team compete juniors at Classics last quad. Always fun.

    Anyway, I quite liked Nia Dennis, Laurie Hernandez and Bailie Key. Polina reminds me so much of Nastia it's scary (has a lot of similar moves, plus they have almost an identical body type). Too bad Polina doesn't seem to have the same competitiveness Nastia always had, but maybe she'll grow into it. Anyway, she's gorgeous to watch.

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    I agree I'm excited about the next generation.

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    Gymnastics News No.12 Part Deux!

    I am pretty sure Ohashi is out. Last we heard she was not even in the gym after having shoulder surgery. Not that long ago she did a Q&A and said she was still not working out. I can't possibly see her being back in time for Nationals and she isn't going to earn any kind of petition to the team. Ernst, if she can repeat at Nationals, can make a case. I also agree with whomever said Maroney could sneak away an AA spot. That would make me so happy and I have some people's faces I could rub it in on another message board. Lol. I will be surprised if her bars are good enough, though. She didn't show a full set here in training that i am aware of and I think it's safe to assume that will be the hardest even for her to get back.
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    I think Kennedy Baker has the best floor routine in terms of choreography in the world right now. I feel she gets marked harshly for some reason. Kyla looked a little labored to me. McKayla looked fabulous. I think she need she just needs more time to get back into tip top shape, but she's doing well. I think the issue with the World team is that you if Kyla does all around and so does Simone, then you have McKayala as a vault/floor specialist and then the spot is left open for a bars/beam specialist...but who is that? I love how freaking hard Skinner's floor is, but it kills me that she always makes mistakes on the easier elements. That floor exercise is spectacular both for the difficulty, but for its sloppiness as well.

    I found many of the juniors interesting. Bailie Key was flat as a pancake on floor, but she's got a great look and her execution is generally good. I really liked Lauren Hernandez on floor. Her routine was very NCAA to me, which I enjoyed. Nia Dennis also looked good on floor. I thought she had pretty good dance and the tumbling was great outside some of the landings.

    Kudos to Kim Zmeskal for all the success she's having as a coach. She's turned out some really beautiful gymnasts.

    Was that Anna Li judging vault?
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    Nia Dennis was fab on vault and floor too, and I think her standing arabian on beam is probably the best in the world. She seems to have improved a lot! I really enjoyed Nica Hults and Bailie Key, too. Hopefully they stay injury-free this quad -- I would love to see them both in Rio!

    I think a healthy Ross & Maroney are locks for the World team. I think the other two spots will come down to Biles vs. Price, and Ernst vs. Dowell. With Ohashi out, there likely isn't another girl (besides Ross) who will contend for a UB medal anyway. Are Vega and Finnegan even planning on competing at Nationals? I haven't heard anything about them in months.

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    Vega's definitely out for the year and I'm pretty sure Finnegan is too.

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    I don't think Skinner even qualified to US Championships, which makes her making worlds somewhat less likely

    Anna Li judged vault and other recently retired gymnasts turned judges included Tabitha Yim on beam and Chellsie Memmel on bars. I have to say that the US does a great job and getting former high level athletes into high level judging very quickly.

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    Skinner qualified at a previous camp.

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    I am kind of surprised at how quickly those gymnast get through the ranks to judge. It is not easy at all to be judging those major events. I know people who have been working on becoming a judge for years and they haven't gotten near a U.S. Classic or Nationals. I guess, like many other jobs, it is very political and about who you know.

    I do remember Chellsie mentioning how much she had been working on judging (including the low level local meets) so maybe the others have been doing the same thing just in quiet.

    ETA: Anna Li. I am still not over what happened to her at Worlds. Too bad she didn't stick with it this year, the U.S. has absolutely no one to send for UB and Li, at her best, could make EF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danafan View Post
    Anna Li judged vault and other recently retired gymnasts turned judges included Tabitha Yim on beam and Chellsie Memmel on bars. I have to say that the US does a great job and getting former high level athletes into high level judging very quickly.
    When I first saw Anna Li at a glance I thought it was Tabitha Yim. Good to know Chellsie and Tabitha were there judging as well. I know Christy Phillips is a D panel judge at Nationals quite a bit and that Kim Zmeskal judged in the past. It was also cool to see Elena Zamolodchikova (I know I butchered that)and Alana Slater judging at Pacific Alliance.

    I think that athletes can get an accelerated judging path. I know Tabitha and Chellsie got their judging brevets a couple years ago and that Chellsie worked nationals last year as a timer on floor and bars (?).
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    Yeah, former gymnasts can get fast-tracked to becoming a judge in the US...they get to skip a lot of the waiting periods between tests, I think? Anyway, I knew Chellsie was a judge now but I had no idea that Anna got certified as well.

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    I had a great time at US Classic - first time at a gymnastics meet in about 6 years and definitely the biggest crowd I've ever seen for gymnastics. Great to meet danafan for the first time too!

    I agree with the sentiments above that the junior meet was more exciting and competitive than seniors - overall, I felt like the juniors seemed like they were in better shape and near peak form whereas many of the seniors seemed nervous and perhaps lacking some endurance, judging by the number of falls on the last tumbling line on floor.

    Highlight of the meet for me was Nia Dennis - I loved the power and aggression she had on every event and as someone else mentioned, she had the most spectacular standing arabian on beam I've ever seen. I hope she can find a way to rein in the power just a tiny bit (to stay on the beam for that back handspring-double layout) without losing what makes her special. Also loved Norah Flatley on beam and bars. I felt like she had a lovely calmness on beam, so it was nice to just be able to relax and enjoy her performance. Her teammate Alexis Vasquez also had beautiful lines but couldn't stay on the beam. Lauren Hernandez was tons of fun on floor and I was also really impressed with Emily Schild on vault (but thought it was strange that the great vaulting didn't translate into decent tumbling on floor).

    For the seniors, Maroney and Priessman looked better than I'd expected, and pretty much all of the other big names looked worse than I'd expected. Maroney looks like she's right back where she left off on vault and better than before on floor. Marta would be crazy to leave her off the World team - and if she shows up in Hartford with a half-decent bars and beam set, I'd love to see her snag an all-around spot. Dowell and Biles looked very nervous throughout the competition and the fall Biles had in warm-up on her Amanar was very scary. I still like Ross's lines and polish but I wish that she had a bit more excitement and umph in her gymnastics (and her vault was WAY overscored...in what universe did that deserve the same E-score as Maroney?). She just doesn't have anything that makes me go "wow", although I did think the whipback-double tuck on floor was cool. I'm torn on Mykayla Skinner...I really want to like her as she has so many cool skills, my favorite being the back handspring-arabian on beam. But she also does everything SO sloppily. She's like the opposite of Kyla - maybe the two of them could rub off on each other somehow?

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    I am here to admit I was wrong. I kept questioning people who factored Ross into the UB title picture at Worlds and I was wrong. Her routine at U.S. Classics was beautiful and scored better than anyone else has this year. She looks better than ever and she was already good on UB. The whole routine just floats and has great rhythm. She still has in one of those handstand stepdowns but one isn't so bad. I also think (the angle was hard to be sure) that she keeps her feet together on her Shaposh half transition, her legs used to come apart slightly. I still think, in my gut, that Mustafina and/or Komova will show up at Worlds with an upgraded routine that will outscore Ross by .2 - .3 but if they don't upgrade then Ross can certainly take it. And, of course, Ross could potentially upgrade herself (she showed a stalder after her Pak at camp).
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    I don't know how they came up with a 6.3 D score for Ernst on beam....she didn't even attempt a dance series!

    http://youtu.be/9wtMJoqGTg0

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    Quote Originally Posted by danafan View Post
    I don't know how they came up with a 6.3 D score for Ernst on beam....she didn't even attempt a dance series!

    http://youtu.be/9wtMJoqGTg0
    Good catch. I wonder if the split half was supposed to be connected to another leap? She wobbled on it so perhaps she didn't feel she could connect whatever it was. The judges clearly missed it.

    I linked to her routine and asked on a gymnastics message board so lets see what they say. Some of them probably saw her practice and know what she left out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danafan View Post
    I don't know how they came up with a 6.3 D score for Ernst on beam....she didn't even attempt a dance series!

    http://youtu.be/9wtMJoqGTg0
    Beam judging in general seemed wonky to me. I wondered about a lot of leaps getting credited, but it seemed like they had to with D scores being what they were. I thought a lot of the E scores on beam were very generous while others seemed very harsh.

    Vault was the usual, if you have a big vault or a big name, your E score is huge. I really didn't get where Kyla Ross was .65 better in execution than say Kennedy Baker.

    I'd be curious to know which of the leg at horizontal double turns were credited on floor.
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