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    I think it has more to do with the fact that it's so early in the season and non-US gymnasts are typically not prepared enough to challenge the US girls (and nobody likes to "lose" that early in the season). Mustafina did show up one year because the format was different and there was a hefty cash prize involved. It didn't end up going how they were expecting and they weren't all that happy about it, but yeah. I think nowadays, the US girls win not because the judging is screwy but because at that point in the season they're the only ones who are REALLY prepared to take it out. In the past, definitely there was fishy judging but now I think it's more the type of field that is presented. Outside the US, the American Cup isn't that big of a deal on anyone's radar. Smaller countries like to go as a way to get great "big competition" exposure and experience, and it has a nice payout if you medal.

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    Pfft the American Cup was terribly judged the year Wieber faced Mustafina. The only event the scoring was right on was vault. On bars Wieber would have had the same or higher E score as Mustafina without her fall which is the joke to end all jokes. Beam she wasnt 7 tenths better in execution either. With both having a fall, and Wieber having an OOB, and Mustafina having by far a higher combined D score, Mustafina was the clear winner had the event been anywhere else would have won by about a full point probably, even if Mustafina was sloppier back then, and Wieber did deserve higher E scores in some places.

    Last year was a joke too. Raisman without her mistake would have scored higher than Iordache on beam for instance.

    The American Cup is still every bit the SCAM cup it is supposed to be.

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    Raisman won a medal on beam in London. I don't think it is so far fetched to think a clean routine from her would be one of the top scores on beam in any competition. As it was, she did make a mistake so it is pointless.
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    Um Mustafina landed her only two salto pass on floor hands first the year she competed at the American Cup, and she still got the two salto line salto CR. Not to mention her beam dismount had about a point in potential deductions. While at the time I thought Wieber's floor was quite oversecored, when I reviewed Mustafina's floor fall I had no problem with Wieber's winning.

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympi...215902482.html

    Scandal in Rhythmic Gymnastics.

    Makes one wonder about ISU tests.
    I meant to take the high road.... but I missed the exit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danafan View Post
    Um Mustafina landed her only two salto pass on floor hands first the year she competed at the American Cup, and she still got the two salto line salto CR. Not to mention her beam dismount had about a point in potential deductions. While at the time I thought Wieber's floor was quite oversecored, when I reviewed Mustafina's floor fall I had no problem with Wieber's winning.
    Keep their vault, beam, and floor scores the same if you wish, but on bars Wieber with a fall would have at best a 7.5 E score (especialy if Mustafina was only a 8.9) anywhere else. Based on that alone she would lose by a considerable margin already.

    Lets just say anyone who thinks the American Cup scoring is anymore legit today than it ever was has their head in the sand. The Scam Cup name will carry on until the event ceases to exist. Which is fine, I never took it seriously as a competition and never will. It is a glorified exhibition with zero competitive merit, and I just am glad to get to see the routines of gymnasts on a large broadcast each year (although mostly only Americans as foreign athletes dont want to send their best to such an event often anymore for obvious reasons).

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    Quote Originally Posted by peibeck View Post
    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympi...215902482.html

    Scandal in Rhythmic Gymnastics.

    Makes one wonder about ISU tests.
    I'm not too surprised by this in rhythmic gymnastics. I know someone who used to coach in it at a fairly high level, and it sounds like the politicking is even worse than it is in skating.

    And I recall reading somewhere (I wish I could find the source, will have to look) that some ISU judges in the past had passed the written ISU tests, which were administered in English, but were completely incapable of communicating in English, written or spoken
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    Re judgejudy's post above, I think that danafan's point is that even if Wieber was scored generously on bars, Mustafina was scored generously on beam and floor. Given that he's got some fairly high level judging experience and has never been known to be a particular fan of Wieber, I give a lot of weight to his opinion in this case.

    On more up-to-date things...I'm toying with the idea of a quick trip to see US Classic, as its a short flight from here (theoretically could drive, but I'm not sure I'm up for that). Anyone ever been before? Any tips re arena, etc?

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    I'm going to the US Classic again this year. I've been to the Sears Centre for the American Cup in 2009. It's in Hoffman Estates must outside of Chicago. I'm staying at the Marriott but there are other hotels in the area, not that I know much about the area. It's a fun meet to go to.

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    US Classic is in Chicago? I'm just 1.5 hours away... hmmmmm.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by floskate View Post
    Thanks for posting Frolova. I haven't watched that in years and I'd forgotten how exquisite that exercise was. Another couple of favourites:

    Elena Naimushina her musicality and effervescence are just thrilling.

    Natalia Ilienko Seriously stunning.

    And this is why I and many many others will keep bitching about shitty FX in today's gymnastics. The sooner TPTB realise that no one cares about crappily executed pirouettes and a split jump that needs about 5 seconds of preparation but still looks as though she did it wrong......the better!
    There is hope I don't think these girls have anything to envy of their 1980's counterparts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpp84powoAQ ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quvpxZtOLiw ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC_rpFTaidk

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    Quote Originally Posted by millyskate View Post
    There is hope I don't think these girls have anything to envy of their 1980's counterparts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rpp84powoAQ ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quvpxZtOLiw ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC_rpFTaidk
    Some nice moments there and good to see choreographers actually listening to the music. The girls can really feel it too, but too static for me. Now THIS is what a FX should look like. I hope she can manage her growth spurts and perhaps it's a good thing they've come so early - so long as she doesn't have too much more to negotiate!

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    I'm very impressed by this young gymnast from Germany, Kim Janas. Here is her floor from last week's Euroepan Youth Olympic Festival.

    http://youtu.be/gVhEERgIt7U

    Beautiful toes and a nice style that I hope will develop over the years.

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    Edit double post, sorry!

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    Lot's of potential and talent there, I love her style and quality of movement.

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    Gymnastics News No.12 Part Deux!

    I love the way she does her triple turn. One spin in L position and then pulls in her leg for the other 2. Very smart and probably easier to get around 3 times by pulling in for the final 2. Is it worth the same as any triple turn or does she get something extra for starting in L position? So smart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I love the way she does her triple turn. One spin in L position and then pulls in her leg for the other 2.
    I loved this too - unique and cool looking. I also liked the bit of choreography with leaps into something that looked kind of like a Portocarrero.

    I booked a flight to go to US Classic I'm only familiar with a handful of the seniors (Biles, Maroney, Skinner, Ross, Priessman) and very few juniors (Hundley and Johnson-Scharf are the only names I recognize off the top). Any recommendations on who to keep an eye on, especially in juniors?

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    It's actually two different turns for Janas - a full turn with leg at horizontal (B) to a regular turn (B) on the same foot without a step, which is a new CV in the 2013-2016 COP. She's the first gymnast I've seen do this and it was quite lovely.

    I don't know much about the US juniors, but Bailie Key is one of the top gymnasts, and I quite like Polina Schennikova so I'd watch those two closely too.

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    Gymnastics News No.12 Part Deux!

    U.S. Classic practices started today. Maroney warmed up all events but is supposedly only competing Vault ad FX. Only timers on vault today, should vault full vaults tonight but it is closed and not sure if we will get videos/reports.
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    USAG is posting videos from the 2nd podium training session to their YouTube channel. Maroney's Amanar is still the best in the world.

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