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    Quote Originally Posted by poths View Post

    Bulimar is leaving this joint with a bag of medals!
    Would love to see her do well, IMO B&B unfairly held her back at the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poths View Post
    Romanian bars are just a disaster, FFS
    There has got to be someone in Romania who can teach bars. I know a lot of their coaches left, but given that there have been some decent bar workers like Sofronie and Petrovschi, at least a few coaches know what they're doing. You'd think B&B would try to bring those coaches in to work with the national team. Maybe their egos won't allow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudy_Gumdrops View Post
    There has got to be someone in Romania who can teach bars. I know a lot of their coaches left, but given that there have been some decent bar workers like Sofronie and Petrovschi, at least a few coaches know what they're doing. You'd think B&B would try to bring those coaches in to work with the national team. Maybe their egos won't allow it.
    Until Romania sorts out its bars problems, it will never be competitive in team finals at Worlds and Olympics. They have already the started the process of restructuring. However, that always takes time. I think that there will have been an improvement by 2016, but the full results of the restructuring will not start to come through until the 2017-20 quad.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    Didn't Grishina also have 2 falls? What a pathetic state European gymnastics is in when 3rd and 4th place finishers have not one but TWO falls.
    This is a post Olympics Europeans, many gymnasts are missing through injury and for other reasons, there have been many retirements, and it will be some time before the new generation come through. Moreover, Europe's strongest powers, Romania and Russia are both engaged in long term restructuring.

    Russian gymnastics is still in the process of overcoming the financial problems that beset it during the 15 years running up to the 2008 Olympics, and the coaching exodus that accompanied it. They only really started to address these problems after the 2008 Olympics (which were a disaster), and it was envisaged that it would take 2-3 quads to fully turn the situation around. Despite the fact that it remains relatively early days, and the fact that they were extremely unlucky with injuries to their 2 main gymnasts (i.e. Mustafina and Komova), they were still able to take team Silver at the 2012 Olympics, and it was a massive improvement over 2008. In fact, had Mustafina and Komova not suffered major injuries (causing disruption to their training) in the run up to the 2012 Olympics, they could well have taken the team Gold (they did of course take the team Gold at the 2010 World Championships). Like Romania, I think there will be further consolidation during this quad, but that it will be the 2017-20 quad before Russia is back to its best. They will certainly want their gymnastics program properly back on track by 2020, as the country has plans to bid for and host a summer Olympics post 2020. That's why they are heavily investing in their summer Olympics sports, such as gymnastics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poths View Post
    Jupp badly injured on the double ppike beam dismount, taken off on a stretcher.

    Charlie Fellows was a waste, yet again, Brits make insane selection decision leaving Whelan at home when she'd have made beam final with ease.

    Nice to see Harrold make a beam final, Brits need her to approach 14 to ever have a realistic shot at a world team medal.

    Afan must have fell from beam?

    Romanian bars are just a disaster, FFS

    Downey killed bars, I wonder can she make a few more upgrades for worlds?

    Vault was horrific

    The overall standard is quite poor, but, the Romanians and Russians are genuinely class gymnasts.

    Bulimar is leaving this joint with a bag of medals!
    I actually with the selectors in terms of leaving Whelan off the team - she was not fit, and hadn't earnt her place. I would have sent Rippin ahead of Fellows, because Rippin could have made vault finals considering the state of European vaulting... and more finals means more lottery money for gymnastics in the UK.
    However, the Olympic selection was brainless and scandalous - totally agree with you there.

    I'm gutted about Jupp. A gymnast's best years are always pre injury, and I was really hoping Gabby would get a decent run. She truly has AA potential.
    I really hope the injury isn't too serious, but it's not sounding good.

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    A 6.4 difficulty score for Afan on floor, I can't wait to see that. Overall this may be the weakest state I've ever seen Europe in as a whole. I'm really also kind of fed up with Grishina at this point, but we will see what happens in finals. It's nice to see Iordache doing well, those bars though yikes...

    I'm also really shocked at the state of the women's UB field this year, talk about a total 180 from last year. Would it be silly to consider Kyla Ross the favorite for the UB title at this point, because I mean wow.. I wonder if Anna Li is still training?

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    Gymnastics News No.12 Part Deux!

    Russia's weakened state has nothing to do with having 2 falls placing you in the top 3/4. Thanks for the lesson on Russia but this reflects on the entire continent of Europe. Further, Russia was not winning team Gold with how USA hit. Even with their best it would have only been somewhat close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    Further, Russia was not winning team Gold with how USA hit. Even with their best it would have only been somewhat close.
    That is something we will just have to agree to disagree about. As for the level of 'hits', tougher, closer, and more pressurized competition = greater mistakes and less consistency.

    VIDEOS UPDATED

    1. IORDACHE Larisa Andreea (ROU) - 57.198 Floor, Beam, Vault 1, Vault 2
    2. BULIMAR Diana Laura (ROU) - 56.132 Floor, Beam, Vault
    3. GRISHINA Anastasia (RUS) - 56.065
    4. MUSTAFINA Aliya (RUS) - 56.057 Floor (3 mins in)
    5. POPA NEDELCU Roxana (ESP) - 55.065
    6. HARROLD Ruby (GBR) - 54.799
    7. MENEGHINI Elisa (ITA) - 54.782
    8. STEINGRUBER Giulia (SUI) - 54.732
    9. CAMPANA Giorgia (ITA) - 54.299
    10. MARTINS Ana Filipa (POR) - 53.099
    11. VARGAS Maria Paula (ESP) - 53.032
    12. BOCZOGO Dorina (HUN) - 52.732
    13. MAKRA Noemi (HUN) - 52.699
    14. FELLOWS Charlie (GBR) - 52.566
    15. van KLAVEREN Noel (NED) - 52.065 Floor, Beam, Uneven Bars, Vault
    16. HILL Lisa Katharina (GER) - 51.965
    17. KAESLIN Ilaria (SUI) - 51.499
    18. SIKULOVA Jana (CZE) - 51.132
    19. VASYLIEVA Olena (UKR) - 50.933
    20. ECKER Lisa (AUT) - 50.866
    21. GUSTAFSSON Ida (SWE) - 50.698
    22. AKYOL Cagla (GER) - 50.499
    23. KYSLA Angelina (UKR) - 50.432
    24. HAEMMERLE Elisa (AUT) - 50.365

    DID NOT QUALIFY

    AFANASYEVA Ksenia (RUS) Floor (6 mins 20 secs in)
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    Almost every American could do a fantastic amanar! Maybe Russia could've made up for it on beam and bars and bar but that was so unclear and didn't work out. It could've been done but the American amanars were like the best skill ever done by a group to a high standard-or one of. It's certainly in the top 5 or 10 of best execution of a hard skill ever.

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    Gymnastics News No.12 Part Deux!

    Russia could make up ground on bars but the US girls owned beam and they always do so it isn't as if they got lucky there. Floor was rather evenly matched but the US team had the eventual gold medalist in their lineup. The US would have won vault (by a gigantic margin), beam and floor. Russia could not make that up on just bars. They needed more in their lineup and they didn't have it.

    I think a lot of people think about how beautiful and artistic Komova and Mustafina were/are but having the prettiest team isn't going to win you anything in this COP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caseyedwards View Post
    Almost every American could do a fantastic amanar! Maybe Russia could've made up for it on beam and bars and bar but that was so unclear and didn't work out. It could've been done but the American amanars were like the best skill ever done by a group to a high standard-or one of. It's certainly in the top 5 or 10 of best execution of a hard skill ever.
    Before their injuries, Komova and Mustafina had Amanars! Add in Paseka - that's 3 Amanars.

    With a fully fit Komova and Mustafina without any previous injuries, the Russians would have dominated on beam and on the floor, as well as on the bars. At the time they were injured, they held the 2 highest total scores ever between them, were getting better and better, and would have almost certainly gone on to beat those scores given that gymnasts improve and upgrade the closer they get to the Olympics. However, after the injuries, they were shadow of their former selves and have never got anywhere near recovering their form of old.
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    They really haven't had a team of old for about 12 years now. Not since Sudney has Russia had a truly phenomenal team and that also goes for Russia's mediocre team with one very strong gymnast that ended up winning in 2010 at the World Championships. 2010 was the weakest women's team final in the history of women's gymnastics.

    The truth is, 2012 was the best team Russia has had (even with injury and mistake problems) since Sydney and they would not have won over the US that night no matter what. They also need to fire the Rodionenkos if they ever hope to have a prayer of a team even approaching last years.

    After viewing routines.. As long as she stand everything up, even with a landing deduction on every pass, I think Afan stands a stronger shot at winning the world title again on FX than she did in 2011. She's the returning Olympian that gets the majority of my love thus far (and Kyla Ross).

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    WAG QUALIFICATION VIDEOS UPDATED

    1. IORDACHE Larisa Andreea (ROU) - 57.198 Floor, Beam, Vault 1, Vault 2
    2. BULIMAR Diana Laura (ROU) - 56.132 Floor, Beam, Vault
    3. GRISHINA Anastasia (RUS) - 56.065 Floor, Beam, Vault
    4. MUSTAFINA Aliya (RUS) - 56.057 Floor (3 mins in), Floor (2nd Copy), Uneven Bars, Beam
    5. POPA NEDELCU Roxana (ESP) - 55.065
    6. HARROLD Ruby (GBR) - 54.799
    7. MENEGHINI Elisa (ITA) - 54.782
    8. STEINGRUBER Giulia (SUI) - 54.732
    9. CAMPANA Giorgia (ITA) - 54.299
    10. MARTINS Ana Filipa (POR) - 53.099
    11. VARGAS Maria Paula (ESP) - 53.032
    12. BOCZOGO Dorina (HUN) - 52.732
    13. MAKRA Noemi (HUN) - 52.699
    14. FELLOWS Charlie (GBR) - 52.566
    15. van KLAVEREN Noel (NED) - 52.065 Floor, Beam, Uneven Bars, Vault
    16. HILL Lisa Katharina (GER) - 51.965
    17. KAESLIN Ilaria (SUI) - 51.499
    18. SIKULOVA Jana (CZE) - 51.132
    19. VASYLIEVA Olena (UKR) - 50.933
    20. ECKER Lisa (AUT) - 50.866
    21. GUSTAFSSON Ida (SWE) - 50.698
    22. AKYOL Cagla (GER) - 50.499
    23. KYSLA Angelina (UKR) - 50.432
    24. HAEMMERLE Elisa (AUT) - 50.365

    DID NOT QUALIFY

    AFANASYEVA Ksenia (RUS) Floor (6 mins 20 secs in), Floor (2nd Copy), Vault, Uneven Bars, Beam
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    http://eurovision.digotel.com/ueg/index.html Livestream for all the finals, only available to viewers in Europe.

    Men's AA podium
    1. Belyavskiy RUS 89.799
    2. Whitlock GBR 89.106
    3. Verniaiev UKR 88.398

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    EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS - WAG ALL-AROUND RESULT

    1.Aliya Mustafina (RUS) (15.033, 15.133, 14.400, 14.466) - 59.032
    2.Larisa Andreea Iordache (ROU) (14.900, 13.833, 14.833, 14.866) - 58.432
    3.Anastasia Grishina (RUS) (14.900, 15.033, 14.133, 13.866) - 57.932
    4.Diana Laura Bulimar (ROU) (14.766, 13.666, 14.400, 14.233) - 57.065
    =4Giulia Steingruber (SUI) (15.066, 13.800, 14.366, 13.833) - 57.065
    6.Roxana Popa Nedelcu (ESP) (14.633, 14.300, 13.633, 13.133) - 55.699
    7.Elisa Meneghini (ITA) (13.866, 13.633, 14.000, 13.700) - 55.199
    8.Ruby Harrold (GBR) (13.900, 14.033, 13.300, 13.400) - 54.633
    9.Maria Paula Vargas (ESP) (13.833, 13.900, 13.400, 13.200) - 54.333
    10.Ida Gustafsson (SWE) (13.833, 13.966, 13.233, 13.100) - 54.132
    11.Noemi Makra (HUN) (13.833, 13.466, 13.700, 12.966) - 53.965
    12.Giorgia Campana (ITA) (13.900, 13.933, 13.166, 12.966) - 53.965
    13.Ilaria Kaeslin (SUI) (13.733, 13.166, 13.933, 12.800) - 53.632
    14.Lisa Katharina Hill (GER) (13.766, 14.366, 11.966, 13.300) - 53.398
    15.Ana Filipa Martins (POR) (13.233, 13.300, 12.800, 13.000) - 52.333
    16.Noel van Klaveren (NED) (14.366, 11.733, 12.366, 13.333) - 51.798
    17.Olena Vasilyeva (UKR) (13.300, 12.766, 13.266, 12.000) - 51.332
    18.Charlie Fellows (GBR) (13.633, 13.200, 12.100, 12.266) - 51.199
    19.Lisa Ecker (AUT) (13.766, 12.500, 12.400, 12.525) - 51.191
    20.Dorina Boczogo (HUN) (13.600, 11.600, 11.700, 13.300) - 50.200
    21.Jana Sikulova (CZE) (13.533, 13.633, 11.266, 12.500) - 50.932
    22.Cagla Akyol (GER) (13.600, 11.733, 12.500, 12.533) - 50.366
    23.Elisa Haemmerle (AUT) (13.933, 12.366, 11.033, 12.600) - 49.932
    24.Angelina Kysla (UKR) (0.000, 13.400, 11.466, 13.133) - 37.999

    Many congratulations to Musty - EUROPEAN CHAMPION!!!!



    Apart from some wobbles on beam, great performance

    Super performance by Iordache on the first 3 apparatus as well, but yet again Romania comes unstuck on the bars. They really really do need to start sorting themselves out on that piece

    Congratulations too to Grishina, who proved the doubters wrong.
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    2013 EUROPEAN GYMNASTICS CHAMPIONSHIPS - WAG AA - VIDEOS (BBC)

    1.Aliya Mustafina (RUS) (15.033, 15.133, 14.400, 14.466) - 59.032 Beam, Floor, Uneven Bars, Vault
    2.Larisa Andreea Iordache (ROU) (14.900, 13.833, 14.833, 14.866) - 58.432 Beam, Floor, Uneven Bars, Vault
    3.Anastasia Grishina (RUS) (14.900, 15.033, 14.133, 13.866) - 57.932 Beam, Floor, Uneven Bars, Vault
    4.Diana Laura Bulimar (ROU) (14.766, 13.666, 14.400, 14.233) - 57.065 Beam, Floor, Uneven Bars, Vault

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    but this reflects on the entire continent of Europe
    It really is unbelievable, two falls for the women who placed 3rd und 4th! I am sure the shame is unbearable - for the entire continent of Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil-Galad View Post
    It really is unbelievable, two falls for the women who placed 3rd und 4th! I am sure the shame is unbearable - for the entire continent of Europe.
    It is also worth pointing out that European and Chinese gymnasts do not deploy full difficulty this early in the season and this early in the quad. They do this to prevent injury. In contrast, American gymnasts deploy much higher difficulty much earlier, quite simply because it's difficult to get into their team. However, that obviously comes with huge risks and it's something I really dislike. Already this season, there have been injuries to Katelyn Ohashi, Elizabeth Price, and Kyla Ross. It's not just the risk of injury either, it's also the burn out that's likely to occur. The injury to Ohashi should represent a wake up call. The USAG needs to get the message across to coaches to pace their gymnasts better to avoid injury. I know the Russian Fed really took the lesson on board the hard way following Mustafina's ACL injury doing an Amanar that she simply did not need to do to win the 2011 European AA. It's simply not worth risking career ending injuries to win minor competitions. Another example is Rebecca Bross who could have gone on to become the Olympic AA champion. Her career was destroyed by a knee injury which she was unable to properly recover from.

    It was particularly infuriating to see the injury to Gabby Jupp at Europeans. She had huge potential. Yet, she has suffered a serious knee injury before her career has even really begun. It's such a waste of talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maofan7 View Post
    It is also worth pointing out that European and Chinese gymnasts do not deploy full difficulty this early in the season and this early in the quad. They do this to prevent injury. In contrast, American gymnasts deploy much higher difficulty much earlier, quite simply because it's difficult to get into their team. However, that obviously comes with huge risks and it's something I really dislike. Already this season, there have been injuries to Katelyn Ohashi, Elizabeth Price, and Kyla Ross. It's not just the risk of injury either, it's also the burn out that's likely to occur. The injury to Ohashi should represent a wake up call. The USAG needs to get the message across to coaches to pace their gymnasts better to avoid injury. I know the Russian Fed really took the lesson on board the hard way following Mustafina's ACL injury doing an Amanar that she simply did not need to do to win the 2011 European AA. It's simply not worth risking career ending injuries to win minor competitions. Another example is Rebecca Bross who could have gone on to become the Olympic AA champion. Her career was destroyed by a knee injury which she was unable to properly recover from.

    It was particularly infuriating to see the injury to Gabby Jupp at Europeans. She had huge potential. Yet, she has suffered a serious knee injury before her career has even really begun. It's such a waste of talent.
    This. The American gymnasts need to go for broke to catch Martha's attention, and the injury rate is insane. European gymnasts are not facing the same level of competition to get onto the national team, neither are the coaches prepared to break their athletes in the same way. It's super sad about Jupp and I very much hope it's not a career ending injury.

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    Becky Downie could hardly breath when they were presenting the finalists. WHY would you get so overwhelmed by a frigging Euro champs when you have been around since 2006, have won nothing and have NOTHING to lose! Stalls on her first hand and face plants the mat on her second release. Sad for her, but indicative of the fragile state that British WAG is in. There's something so wrong in the set up/selection that makes them all feel unworthy and leads them to meltdown when opportunities arise. Blah

    Harrold was decent in the AA despite some questionable play it safe choices (no DTY and basic beam dismount), but everything else was tripe. Fellows? Awful! Then Downie and Harrold give UB medals to PASEKA??? Gah! Someone from the British MAG needs to get hold of the ladies! I fear Downie has just missed her only opportunity for a major medal.

    Beyond devestated for Jupp who HAS actually been brought through so carefully! The only big element risky elements she has are the UB and BB dismounts. Very unfortunate.

    Funny to see Meneghini with so much potential, performing routines that were really too easy for her. If she was American she'd be doing Amanars, double doubles and be retired half way through next year!

    Personally, Mustafafina's BB score felt WAAY over marked. Three HUGE checks and it scored more than a perfect Bulimar? Her triple twist was ten times uglier than london, it's not even a twist to be honest and yet she scored 14.6??? I'd have given it to Iordache, only her bars are so shit, I'm actually fin with a bit of politiking!

    Had Grishina been in any way decent on floor I'd have gone for her as the winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    this reflects on the entire continent of Europe.
    You need to get a grip. The ignorance/arrogance is laughable!

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