# Thread: A Proposal for Calculating Medal Standings

1. Originally Posted by maatTheViking
(though they totally neglected the myth, I mean fact, of the origin of the Danish flag!)
Do tell.

2. Originally Posted by BlueRidge
oops I'm behind. USA leads in golds and medals. Fred can rest but not so peacefully.

ETA: Better yet, but Really's method, China is still ahead. I actually like the cumulative method the best of those displayed so far.
USA 21 gold, China 20; total medals are 42 each, but by virtue of more silver, fewer bronze, China's points are 95 vs. 94 for the USA. Hmmm, I wonder if fred would care to adopt Really's method instead of his "Proper Medals Table used by everyone except the USA (and Canada)"? Nah, he'll stick with his Proper Medal Table to the end. Got to give him credit for not retracting in his stance.

3. You could also weight Gold significantly more than silver, and silver more than bronze, so as to give Gold more importance. I tried 50 for gold, 25 for silver, 10 for bronze and at the present moment got China ahead despite their being behind absolutely in gold. I don't have a problem with fred's idea of weighting gold much more heavily, I just think silver and bronze should count for something as well. Otherwise, why even award those?

I'm mathematically challenged so I can't really figure out good numbers to use. Maybe Gold 100, Silver 25, Bronze 5? Help me numbers people!

4. Originally Posted by skatingfan5
Got to give him credit for not retracting in his stance.
I believe Emerson had something to say on this subject.

5. Originally Posted by Prancer
I believe Emerson had something to say on this subject.
The reason Emerson had that to say was because he was wildly inconsistent in his writings and was annoyed that people hassled him for it.

6. Originally Posted by BlueRidge
You could also weight Gold significantly more than silver, and silver more than bronze, so as to give Gold more importance. I tried 50 for gold, 25 for silver, 10 for bronze and at the present moment got China ahead despite their being behind absolutely in gold. I don't have a problem with fred's idea of weighting gold much more heavily, I just think silver and bronze should count for something as well. Otherwise, why even award those?

I'm mathematically challenge so I can't really figure out the numbers. Maybe Gold 100, Silver 25, Bronze 5? Help me numbers people!
Well if a Gold medal is truly 4X Silver, and Bronze is just 1/20, why even bother giving a bronze medal? It's sort of a slap on the face, innit?

I know that winning Gold means more than the rest. To show how much more valuable and special the GOLD is, I think that the podiums should better reflect the status of GOLD medal winners. The GOLD podium would necessitate at least 50 steps to reach the top, while Silver medalists would have to climb up only 10, and the poor losers who only placed 3rd would actually descend 5 steps below floor level.

7. Hey I said I wasn't good with numbers! I do think silver and bronze should count. Bronze is important. A lot of athletes are incredibly good and work incredibly hard and only one can win gold; its great that people can feel they also have achieved something if they win bronze. 3-2-1 might not give enough weight to winning (I though that was a USA thing? Winning isn't everything, its the only thing? ) so maybe there's a better way to weight it. But I don't want to dis silver and bronze!

8. Originally Posted by BlueRidge
The reason Emerson had that to say was because he was wildly inconsistent in his writings and was annoyed that people hassled him for it.
Yes? And you don't think that's applicable?

Originally Posted by skatingfan5
I know that winning Gold means more than the rest. To show how much more valuable and special the GOLD is, I think that the podiums should better reflect the status of GOLD medal winners. The GOLD podium would necessitate at least 50 steps to reach the top, while Silver medalists would have to climb up only 10, and the poor losers who only placed 3rd would actually descend 5 steps below floor level.

9. Originally Posted by Prancer
Yes? And you don't think that's applicable?

applicable to what?

who's on first?

10. Originally Posted by BlueRidge
Hey I said I wasn't good with numbers! I do think silver and bronze should count. Bronze is important. A lot of athletes are incredibly good and work incredibly hard and only one can win gold; its great that people can feel they also have achieved something if they win bronze. 3-2-1 might not give enough weight to winning (I though that was a USA thing? Winning isn't everything, its the only thing? ) so maybe there's a better way to weight it. But I don't want to dis silver and bronze!
I guess I would suggest 5-2-1 or something like that, perhaps 10-4-2? Who knows? How can one actually quantify such a thing? I think all who reach the podium are winners -- heck, I think all who make it through their national trials are winners. That "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing" quote is from a football coach (I know that Vince Lombardi said it, but I don't think he coined the phrase). Anyway, I don't believe it -- I don't think winning is the only thing, or everything, even though it's a very important thing in competition. But how you play the game/compete is important too (at least to me). I hope you know that my "bronze medal is for losers" post is an attempt to give a to those who believe that sort of nonsense. I certainly don't want to diss silver or bronze (or pewter).

11. Only once the Olympics are over can we determine the proper weights.

12. I don't know, I'm kind of inclined to dis pewter.

I'm totally for the Olympic spirit, its participating that matters, all these athletes are awesome etc. And I think Country medal standings are just a sidelight. Everyone likes to see their compatriots win, but its not about US beating China in the medal count, at least it shouldn't be. I was totally excited about Gabby Douglas being from Virginia, for no particular reason! But it gave me something to hang onto.

All the Olympic athletes are huge winners as far as I'm concerned. But I do think that the one who does the best should get recognition. I'm not going to dis gold, anymore than bronze or silver.

13. There are never any medalists from DC. So we just pretend that athletes from Virginia and Maryland are ours.

14. Medal standings always remind me of the Cold War for some reason.

I'm a proud homer when it comes to the Olympics (except in a few sports), but I really don't care about the medal standings.

15. Originally Posted by wickedwitch
There are never any medalists from DC. So we just pretend that athletes from Virginia and Maryland are ours.
You are the Azerbaijan of the US.

16. Originally Posted by jeffisjeff
Medal standings always remind me of the Cold War for some reason.

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Ah yeah, there's a reason for that. It actually is kind of to me that now that there's no more USA vs USSR, its USA vs China. Let's all share all the medals instead...

17. Originally Posted by Prancer
You are the Azerbaijan of the US.
Now wait a minute, Ralph Waldo Prancer. I'm sure there have been Olympic athletes from the District of Columbia! And besides we're not some funny named out of the way place.

18. Originally Posted by milanessa
Do tell.
Legend has it, when Valdemar II was 'Christening' the Estonians on orders of the Pope, during the Battle of Talinn in 1219 the battle was going badly. However, since God favored the Danes (given they were partaking in 'converting' the heatherns with the sword, I suppose), the Danish flag dropped from the heavens, and spurred the Danes to victory.

So in short: The Danish flag is gift from God!

more here: wikipedia

In general Danish people are quite fond of their flag, and proud of it, though most of us are not actively Christian . The flag must be burned if it touches the ground, and it can only be flown from sun-up to sun-down (unless you have a giant lamp on it).
There are all sort of rules and regulations about the size of the flag, and the size realtions. There are also proper sizes of flags to your flagpole .

These are more customs than actual law, but almost everyone would follow them.

The Danes were for some time not permitted to use the flags for personal use, but that was granted in 1854. Since then the flag is very much the 'property of the people' so to speak, more than the state.
Most people have a flag pole in their backyard, and you fly it not only on national holidays but any joyouss occation, such as a birthday or when the weather is nice . When I go back to Denmark, and on a nice summer day see the flags on the wind everywhere - I miss home a lot.

(how is that for long winded thread drift!)

19. It seems that there is another BIG SKANDAL at these here Lunnon 'Lympics -- the silver and bronze medal podiums ARE THE SAME HEIGHT! <sarcasm on>Just goes to show that GOLD is all that matters -- silver and bronze are both also-rans and there's not much difference between them -- silver gets no respect at all!</sarcasm>

On further thinking about the relative worth of the GOLD medal vs. all the others, I think that the GOLD medal should be at least the size of a saucer (if not a dinner plate), the silver can be the size of a poker chip, and the bronze the size of an antacid tablet.

20. Originally Posted by jeffisjeff
Only once the Olympics are over can we determine the proper weights.
Yep. Then we can manipulate the medal weights to put the US in first place. That's where we belong.

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