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    ^Agreed.

    I'll copy/paste what I said in another thread/forum in response to there being a petition to change the rules to 3 per country for the AA.


    Would there be a petition had the Russians gone 2-3-4 and Grishina, lets say, missed the AA?
    There are rules (what we think of them is a different matter) and criteria. Every sport has them, especially at the Olympics. Every sport NEEDS them. In athletics and swimming, there are ridiculously good athletes left off whole teams because of a minimal number athletes from each nation. Unfortunately today Jordyn wasn't good enough to meet the criteria - that being to finish top two in your nation.

    I also wish it was 3 per nation for the AA, but how long would it be before people thought it should be 4? I seem to remember that back in the days of 3 per country, there were those who thought there should be no limit to the number of gymnasts from one nation in the AA at all. Where would it end? I'm sure Kyla Ross, who has an Amanar for goodness sake, would have placed very highly in the AA as well; she didn't even get the opportunity to make it.

    I feel for Jordyn, because to be that highly favoured to win a gold and to then not even make it to the final must be tough, but she had to earn it today, and she fell so marginally short. She wasn't entitled to automatically be in the AA (not that I'm saying anyone here is saying she was)

    I have a feeling she'll nail it on Tuesday. I hope she does, and I don't even like her gymnastics that much. Seeing her literally sobbing in the media zone was a sad sight.

    Basically, you have to draw the line/limit/standard somewhere. Whatever that line is, it'll piss someone off.

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    For me it is the same as in skating - I love seeing the best athlets and I would love to have four or five skaters of a country perform at Worlds if they are really that much better than the rest. Japan in ladies for instance a while ago.

    Others get all defensive at the idea and say it is greedy and that one has to limit the number and spread the wealth.

    There is no way to satisfy both.

    In the 80s I think that we as spectators were robbed because only three of the Soviet team were allowed into the AA. I would have loved to see all six.

    But 3 athlets per country and 36 per AA was still better than the 2 per country and 24 per AA that we have now, IMO.

    Where would we stop it? In skating I would use the current system and allow 1 or 2 extra places if 4 or 5 skaters of a nation qualify for the GPF.
    In gymnastics I would take the top ten no matter what and restrict the rest to 3 per country (and then 36 athlets).

    This is a random cut, I know, but I feel that way 99% of the medal aspirants have a shot to compete for the medals.

    This will never happen anyway but a girl can dream.

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    I need to wuzrobb for Jordyn just a bit. She was very close to Gabby. And it seemed to me that Gabby made the bigger, more noticeable error on FX. I don't know code, but it did seem to me that the judges did underscore Jordyn a bit and she didn't miss the #2 ranking by much.

    Did Gabby's routine have a higher SV?

    I say this as someone who prefers Gabby overall.

    And I think the rule is stupid. It should be the top 24.

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    ^Well it wasn't really about floor in the end - Jordyn outscored Gabby by quite a bit there. Jordyn lost her advantage on a laboured bars set and on beam, where Gabby significantly outscored her.

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    Oh ok, I thought Jordyn was lower than Gabby on FX. Nevermind. Back to stupid rule argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theatregirl1122 View Post
    I guess I didn't realize those were actually added separately rather than a part of the E score.
    Time and line violations are called neutral deductions and are taken directly off the final score. Of course NBC is not doing this when they show the scores.....

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    No, they're doing a terrible job of explaining the scoring system. People don't know that Douglas' beam routine had a 6.5 D score while Wieber's D score was just a 6. Their actual execution scores were only 0.066 apart.

    It's their way of ratcheting up the drama.

    I hate them.


    Quote Originally Posted by genevieve View Post
    Jordyn very classy in her interview - she must be so devastated I really enjoyed her gymnastics, very clearly the highest quality overall on the team, just had a rough go. I'm a bit surprised that Gabby scored higher than Jordyn - can anyone give me a nutshell?
    On vault, the difference was minimal, and Jordyn actually stepped out of bounds. On bars, Douglas has an advantage of 0.2 on difficulty, and she performed her set 0.3 better. Since Wieber had a visible mistake, that's not surprising. Beam I already mentioned above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyn View Post
    I fell asleep during the prime time NBC broadcast, but woke up a bit ago during the overnight repeat, only to hear Tim refer to Gabby Douglas as "The McKayla Maroney of Uneven Bars" .

    Um, in what freaking universe, dude?
    I did a "what?!?!?" when I heard that, but (and I can't believe I'm defending Tim Dagget here) then he said that it was because they both got so much air time, Maroney in her vaults, Douglas in her release moves.
    Last edited by Jimena; 07-30-2012 at 12:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloudy_Gumdrops View Post
    Did Afanasyeva throw all of her difficulty on floor? She only had a 5.9 D score. I can't imagine she and her coaches thought she could win with that.
    When she won the world title on floor last year she had a 6.1 D score. She used to do a 1 1/2 to front full third line, C+C and .1 in CV. Maybe she 's having trouble on that pass, I don't know, but it explains the missing .2.

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    I do have a feeling Afan didn't go for full difficulty (at least I hope so)

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    Kyla Ross got a huge gift on beam yesterday. She completely stopped between her split jump and scissone and there's no way the D panel should have credited her dance series CR. 99% of gymnasts out there would have added a wolf jump in a situation like that, we see this all the time.

    I'm very glad Canadian TV has shown it all live.

    If anyone finds videos of Pegg on floor or Vaculik on bars, please post.

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    I hope this inspires FIG to reverse some of it's rule changes of the few years. I would love to have a 6-6-5 format.
    “Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none.” William Shakespeare

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    Yes, that was my favourite! I don't like the specialising too much. AA is what it is all about for me.

    But they will never change back to that. Specialists was what the small countries wanted.

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    Re: Ponor's floor - her balked third pass really only affected her D score. She counts a B instead of an E, so .3 down. But what execution can you take? I mean it was a rather nice tucked full, she even kicked out of it! Frankly her triple twist has more potential deductions on it....

    Tim Daggett is doing a huge disservice by crying foul instead of trying to figure out why the scores are what they are....

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    And as for "stupid rule" its not like Jordyn is the only athlete to ever be affected by this one. Gabby Douglas qualified FIFTH and prelims last year. Nobody and I mean nobody wuzz robbed her. Called it unfair. She took it, went out and improved her routines. Raisman placed fourth at worlds last year, improved her routines too.

    Wieber knew full well she'd have to compete with her teammates to make it. This is hardly some shocking new thing. And there's been basically even they tried no new upgrades from Jordyn whereas tons from Raisman and Douglas.. Thats what did this. I'd like to see the rule motified a bit maybe top 8 auto at least top 3 (which Jordyn was not)

    There are benefits and drawbacks to having a strong team? Benefit political support and a Team Medal she will get drawbacks, harder to make it to the Olympics. You take the bad with the good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danafan View Post
    Re: Ponor's floor - her balked third pass really only affected her D score. She counts a B instead of an E, so .3 down. But what execution can you take? I mean it was a rather nice tucked full, she even kicked out of it! Frankly her triple twist has more potential deductions on it....

    Tim Daggett is doing a huge disservice by crying foul instead of trying to figure out why the scores are what they are....
    I hate it when commentators do that. And I wrote the same upthread - I assumed that her difficulty was .3-.4 down. Very proud of me.

    If the commentators do that they leave the spectators with the feeling of rigged judging and conspiracy when there isn't any. That does not help the sport in the slightest.

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    Oh, I just found out that a collegue of mine is a huge gymnastics fan as well. That almost never happens in "real life" that I meet someone!!

    She was all over the links and infos etc that I could send her. If you are on your own you don't find as many as with the help of you fellow FSUers!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by danafan View Post
    Re: Ponor's floor - her balked third pass really only affected her D score. She counts a B instead of an E, so .3 down. But what execution can you take? I mean it was a rather nice tucked full, she even kicked out of it! Frankly her triple twist has more potential deductions on it....
    I said this earlier, but my problem was more with the messy back handspring that caused it than the tucked full that resulted.

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    My coworker is a "every 4 years" fan and she kept sending me texts asking why they couldn't let Jordyn compete too and how the Russians couldn't figure out how to apply eyeliner.
    I need to revisit most of the comp from last night-too hungover to watch the whole thing. I will say that aly's elated interview with jordyn standing crying in the background was the most awkward thing ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scintillation View Post
    I need to revisit most of the comp from last night-too hungover to watch the whole thing. I will say that aly's elated interview with jordyn standing crying in the background was the most awkward thing ever.
    Ditto when Gabby was being interviewed.

    On another note, Aly's elation voice sounds exactly the same as her non-elated voice. I don't think I've ever heard anything like it.

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    I want to see said interviews. Were they only on US TV?

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