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    Figure Skating Champions SURVIVOR: Men's RESULTS & REACTIONS

    The tribe has spoken, and I didn't even have to clap anyone in the stocks for moaning about mis-voting.

    The winner is Alexei Yagudin, and Daisuke Takahashi is the runner up!

    The original contestants were the last twelve men to win a World or Olympic championship. The final order of finish was:

    Alexei Yagudin (1st)
    Daisuke Takahashi (2nd)
    Stéphane Lambiel (3rd)
    Evgeni Plushenko (4th)
    Ilia Kulik (5th)
    Patrick Chan (6th)
    Brian Joubert (7th)
    Jeffrey Buttle (8th)
    Elvis Stojko (9th)
    Evan Lysacek (10th)
    Todd Eldredge (11th)
    Alexei Urmanov (12th)

    I must confess that I engaged in a little strategic voting along the way. However, if it were up to me, I would have ranked them something like this:

    Yagudin A great competitor who was able to deliver when it mattered, with style, class, and both artistic and technical ability that was close to the top. Maybe he wasn't the best in every single category of skills, but overall, he is clearly the best.
    Chan He has the best skating skills and very difficult technical content. He isn't quite there yet on interpretation and performance and execution, but he's higher up on my list than some very, very good skaters.
    Plushenko He does not appeal to my aesthetic, he apparently cannot incorporate transitions or decent choreography into his programs and still do all his big tricks, and, like many Russians, he has crappy sit spin positions, but his competitive record is formidable and, when he's on, he has the best jumps in the business.
    Lambiel A tough call between him and Takahashi, but I give him the not because he has much more artistic range. He is one of several skaters on this list who I feel did not fully live up to his potential.
    Takahashi If he were to win the next World Championship, I would rank him above Lambiel.
    Lysacek Another tough call, but I would rank him over Kulik simply because he achieved more, and his non-jump elements are better. If he had worked on fixing his triple axel a couple of seasons earlier, this would be an easier call.
    Kulik Too much of a flash in the pan for me to rank him any higher. Nice jumps and skating skills, though.
    Joubert He gets the nod over Buttle just because he was much more consistent at the championship level. Oh, and he's a better jumper too. In my book, though, he's the biggest underachiever of these twelve.
    Buttle The best of these at skating to music, which, on some level, is what the sport is all about. It's too bad he wasn't able to skate at the level he did in Gothenburg in 2008 more often.
    Stojko By far the biggest overachiever here. His skating skills, non-jump elements, and presentation are inferior to all the others on this list. But he won three World Championships. A couple of the others didn't win any. So he goes here.
    Eldredge Not much soul to his skating, but overall, his accomplishments are greater than Urmanov's.
    Urmanov On paper, his competitive record isn't that much weaker than Kulik's. But Kulik's actual programs are that much better. It's a pity that his injuries kept him from achieving more.

    Ask me again in a few months, and I might come up with a very different ranking.

    Your thoughts?

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    People need to get over their Chan hate. Also I am not Lysacek's biggest fan but the reaction he gets is absolutely insane.

    I also find mens skating to be relatively weak especially compred to 1988 where we had the battle of the Brians. Post Plushenko era even though he is still around. No one has dominated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gingercrush View Post
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    People need to get over their Chan hate. Also I am not Lysacek's biggest fan but the reaction he gets is absolutely insane.

    I also find mens skating to be relatively weak especially compred to 1988 where we had the battle of the Brians. Post Plushenko era even though he is still around. No one has dominated.
    People need to get over their Chan hate, Lysacek hate, and STOJKO hate!

    I think the right person won.

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    It isn't Stojko hate, it's Stojko contempt. There is a difference.

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    This is how I would rank them

    Lambiel
    Chan
    Buttle
    Takahashi
    Kulik
    Urmanov
    Yagudin
    Lysacek
    Joubert
    Plushenko
    Eldredge
    Stojko

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    Marco, why do you rank Yagudin so low (and lower than Urmanov!)?

    (BTW, props for your bravery for that list.)

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    Yagudin is a deserving winner.

    Marco, that's... interesting. I'd be curious to know your reasoning, as it's certainly quite different from both the results and my own thoughts about the skaters in this poll.

    Quote Originally Posted by gingercrush View Post
    People need to get over their Chan hate. Also I am not Lysacek's biggest fan but the reaction he gets is absolutely insane.

    I also find mens skating to be relatively weak especially compred to 1988 where we had the battle of the Brians. Post Plushenko era even though he is still around. No one has dominated.
    Nobody needs to get over anything - people are allowed to dislike Chan's skating, just as they are allowed to dislike anyone else's skating. Sometimes Chan's fans seem to think that he's the only skater who gets criticized, which is certainly not true. Though I for one can honestly said I did not try to vote him off at any point. Lysacek's record is built on consistency, for which he deserves a lot of credit, but there are more interesting and talented skaters in this list. I'd say he left right when he should have

    That nobody has dominated (though one can argue Chan has, post-Vancouver) doesn't indicate that men's skating is weak, just that different skaters peak and skate well each time. That's the sign of a strong field; having one or two dominant skaters can be fun, but it doesn't mean the rest of the field is good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Joubert He gets the nod over Buttle just because he was much more consistent at the championship level. Oh, and he's a better jumper too. In my book, though, he's the biggest underachiever of these twelve.
    That's interesting, because to me it seems that Joubert, despite not being considered the best skater in the field for most of his career, has achieved quite a lot. In his case it's just that he has medals rather than wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marco View Post
    This is how I would rank them

    Lambiel
    Chan
    Buttle
    Takahashi
    Kulik
    Urmanov
    Yagudin
    Lysacek
    Joubert
    Plushenko
    Eldredge
    Stojko
    This is pretty close to how I would have had it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Marco, why do you rank Yagudin so low (and lower than Urmanov!)?
    Carriage, line, effortlessness, preference

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    I really don't agree with Takahashi above Lambiel. The rest more or less makes sense to me.

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    my ranking

    Plushenko
    Yagudin
    Takahashi
    Joubert
    Kulik
    Stojko
    Chan
    Lambiel
    Lysacek
    Buttle

    I voted for only three (Buttle->chan-> lambiel)

    Buttle - very poor jumping abilities and consistency
    chan - always overmarked
    lambiel - quite undeserving records(medals) for a man without the 3A

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    Lambiel's the god of spins but in every other regard he is either matched or surpassed by Takahashi. I agree with the results, except I wouldn't protest if Plushenko was a spot or 2 higher

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    Quote Originally Posted by iarispiralllyof View Post
    Lambiel's the god of spins but in every other regard he is either matched or surpassed by Takahashi. I agree with the results, except I wouldn't protest if Plushenko was a spot or 2 higher
    Sorry for going OT, but I've always wondered: what does your screen name mean??
    "I hit him with my shoes... if he had given me the medal like I told him to, I wouldn't have had to hit him!" -- 8-year-old Rhoda Penmark in "The Bad Seed"

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    This was a BLASPHEMY !!! :
    I wont lie, I voted on every voting round to Yagudin

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    I'm not going to rank any of the skaters here, but I wouldn't have included Daisuke, Patrick, and Brian J. in this poll since they are still competing. I think they're all very talented (yes, I do think Patrick has been overscored in a number of competitions).

    I am appalled at the level of hate/disrespect toward North American skaters here in general, and am sick of the merciless bashing against skaters like Todd & Evan, etc. Whether you like them or not, they are accomplished skaters with great work ethics (OK, I'll admit I'm not obsessed with quads, and could care less about them - there are so many more elements to a program than one blasted jump). Give me great spins (not contorted ones), Russian Split Jumps, music that a skater works into a memorable program, and I'm a happy camper.

    FWIW, I still think that the greatest men's competition is "The Battle of the Brians" from the Calgary Olympics, and 2nd favorite, 1996 Worlds (the top four men were outstanding, particularly in the free skate - I felt so sad for Elvis when he had the mistakes in the short program, but was thrilled for his free skate).
    Last edited by paskatefan; 07-25-2012 at 12:17 PM.

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    I would have had Chan and Urmanov out later

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    Quote Originally Posted by love_skate2011 View Post
    This was a BLASPHEMY !!! :
    It might help if you took a deep breath.....or a nap.
    If this is to end in fire
    Then we will all burn together

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    I would include Plushenko in the top 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nan View Post
    It might help if you took a deep breath.....or a nap.
    Or Ativan
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    Quote Originally Posted by love_skate2011 View Post
    This was a BLASPHEMY !!! :
    I wont lie, I voted on every voting round to Yagudin
    You voted for Yagudin in the final round too?

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