View Poll Results: Most "unbeloved" Olympic Champions, iyho???

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  • Tara Lipinski - 1998

    28 7.95%
  • Sarah Hughes - 2002

    92 26.14%
  • Sale & Pelletier - 2002

    89 25.28%
  • Totmiannina & Marinin - 2006

    14 3.98%
  • Gritschuk & Platov - 1994

    14 3.98%
  • Viktor Petrenko - 1992

    1 0.28%
  • Alexei Urmanov - 1994

    28 7.95%
  • Evgeny Plushenko - 2006

    17 4.83%
  • Evan Lysacek - 2010

    46 13.07%
  • OTHER! Please state, and please forgive, if I didn't mention someome/somthing remarkable!

    23 6.53%
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    Sarah didn't capitalize on her win at the insistence of her father, IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDelpairs2012 View Post
    I said Plushenko. He has a compete lack on respect for his competitors that I find appalling. I just can't get past him stating that he should have won the platinum medal. IT was completely ridiculous. Also I find him completely boring to watch because he has not artistic ability what so ever.
    You can't get past something that is false? LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDelpairs2012 View Post
    I said Plushenko. He has a compete lack on respect for his competitors that I find appalling. I just can't get past him stating that he should have won the platinum medal. IT was completely ridiculous. Also I find him completely boring to watch because he has not artistic ability what so ever.
    ....but he didn't say that.

    Also, lack of respect? He's complimented competitors many times. He's even said Evan skated well in Vancouver.

    Anyway, I haven't voted for anyone...I'm sure every champion is loved by someone.

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    I voted OTHER: Trixi Shuba 1972 Sapporo.
    I don't know why she is not in the poll. Either I am too old or you know something I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    ....Anyway, I haven't voted for anyone...I'm sure every champion is loved by someone.

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    I think Sarah Hughes is the anti-favorite on FSU, with Evan Lysacek a close second. But in my opinion, both of those gold medals were 100% deserved and I am a big fan of both skaters as well as those particular performances.

    My personal least favorite of the list is G&P. I think G&P's gold in 1994 should have gone to Torvill and Dean and their gold in 1998 should have gone to Krylova and Osviannikov. Just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoopysnake View Post
    My personal least favorite of the list is G&P. I think G&P's gold in 1994 should have gone to Torvill and Dean and their gold in 1998 should have gone to Krylova and Osviannikov. Just my opinion.

    This is my opinion as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoopysnake View Post
    I think Sarah Hughes is the anti-favorite on FSU, with Evan Lysacek a close second. But in my opinion, both of those gold medals were 100% deserved and I am a big fan of both skaters as well as those particular performances.

    My personal least favorite of the list is G&P. I think G&P's gold in 1994 should have gone to Torvill and Dean and their gold in 1998 should have gone to Krylova and Osviannikov. Just my opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by maggylyn View Post
    This is my opinion as well.
    Make that 3.
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    i know of few people who don't like sarah who aren't associated with the fsu blog

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    Quote Originally Posted by query5 View Post
    i know of few people who don't like sarah who aren't associated with the fsu blog
    I'm quite sure that with every skater/couple there are people who don't like them. But being disliked by some people (who certainly have their reasons for not liking them) doesn't mean these skaters are unbeloved. As the antithesis says, there's someone who loves them for sure.

    I never liked G&P so very much either, but I'm miles from calling them unbeloved, because I know they have millions of fans. Still, I'm amazed and a little shocked how persistently it's stated that their OGM from '94 should have gone to T/D. I never thought that. To U/S, maybe, but I wouldn't say the gold for G/P was undeserved.

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    Sale/Pelletier and Hughes are a close tie...but watching this hilarious video again tipped me over the edge to vote for S/P : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkq...?search_algo=2

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    I think a lot of people disliked Hughes for winning gold because she wasn't a gold-caliber skater, while the two most dominant figures in skating during these quadrennials (Slutskaya and Kwan) never won gold. I too thought she shouldn't have won gold that year, but Sarah was always a class act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDelpairs2012 View Post
    I said Plushenko. ... Also I find him completely boring to watch because he has not artistic ability what so ever.
    I never cared for his choreo or his "artistry" when watching on TV, but in person, he has a real presence on the ice. In between the jumps and the BS choreo, he has such command on his basic skating. There is both ease and power to it. Seeing him skate in person really gave me a new appreciation for why the judges seemed to love him so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady82 View Post
    I think a lot of people disliked Hughes for winning gold because she wasn't a gold-caliber skater, while the two most dominant figures in skating during these quadrennials (Slutskaya and Kwan) never won gold. I too thought she shouldn't have won gold that year, but Sarah was always a class act.
    but Sarah was always a class act

    Just out of curiosity, why do you say that? For the record, I didn't vote in this poll.

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    Well as far as "most unbeloved Olympic championship wins" for me personally, I'd have to say Anett Potzsch of Germany; Grishuk/Platov whose pairing I was never fond of altho' they were excellent ice dancers -- I agree with those who posted earlier re the teams who they would have preferred win OGM over G/P; T/M in 2006 --great lines in the great Russian tradition, but zero connection with each other and the audience (although they both seem to have very sweet and kind personalities, for me they never quite reached the level of greatness that they had the potential for reaching -- so what that they won OGM, they never actually transcended boring skating). I also was never fond of Navka/Kostomarov's ice dancing -- I thought their OGM win was and obviously political.

    I think Elvis deserved to win OGM in 1994 (especially since Boitano and Browning took themselves out of the running by not skating well overall -- Browning had the best choreographed free program). I wasn't unhappy for Urmanov medaling, because I like him. I was just confused about why the judges felt he deserved gold -- I think Urmanov was confused too, and he ended up unfairly paying for that premature win.

    I think Michelle Kwan should have won OGM in 1998 (but that's history and a lesson still being learned) -- doesn't make me feel Tara is "most unbeloved" however. As far as Sarah H, I always thought she and her sister were pleasant to watch and talented overachievers, but the judges had shown in the '02 Olympic sp that they did not think that highly of Sarah's skating. The pressure was off for Sarah in the fp as she had nothing to lose. She went out there to enjoy herself and the moment which helped her a great deal. While she skated an "uplifting" program with abandon, she also underrotated her jumps which wasn't being scrutinized and marked down at the time. Ultimately, I feel Sarah's win was heavily influenced by the ongoing scandal that year in pairs -- the judges were on notice that a "perfect" skate would have to be rewarded. Otherwise possibly Slute or Kwan would have edged out the win in judges' overall marks. But granted that Kwan, Slute, and Sasha allowed themselves to be psyched out -- they all three faltered under nerves.

    I don't remember "Schwarz" at all. The year Potzsch won over Fratianne, Dagmar Lurz won bronze. Don't remember Lurz at all either. In looking back at the list of winners historically, I find it interesting that in the 1970s and 1980s there were a lot of "forgettable"/ "forgotten" European skaters who were medalling at Worlds and Olympics.

    I guess the popularity of these "forgettable" polls is just the fact of the off-season. I don't "unbelove" any of these champions as people, since I never knew/ don't know them personally. Altho' I never liked Navka's or Grishuk's personalities that I perceived from afar.

    I always enjoyed and still enjoy watching Jamie and David skate (I only voted for them in this poll b/c I think they probably inspired this poll in many respects here on FSU). The votes S/P have received in those ubiquitous survivor polls here are very obviously for the most part "payback" by the fans who heatedly dislike them for all kinds of reasons which have been itemized with seeming malicious glee and with hypocritical justifications.

    Case in point, the linked Saturday Night Live S/P parody (those SNL comics are a laugh riot). That just by looking at that old skit, a poster was prompted to vote for S/P in this poll is also hilarious.
    Last edited by aftershocks; 07-27-2012 at 04:21 PM. Reason: spelling correction

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    Olympic Champions should not be getting 10th place ordinals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    Ultimately, I feel Sarah's win was heavily influenced by the ongoing scandal that year in pairs -- the judges were on notice that a "perfect" skate would have to be rewarded. Otherwise possibly Slute or Kwan would have edged out the win in judges' overall marks.
    Good point. I never considered Sarah's win to be influenced by the scandal, but it makes total sense.

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    It wasn't influenced by the pairs event. Irina had four 1st place ordinals in the long program. No one was making sure Sarah won anything. In fact, I believe a few judges had Sarah first and Michelle second, which would make Michelle the winner. I never understood why Irina's four 1st place ordinals were never a topic of discussion regarding the judging of the ladies event. Sarah should have had all 1st place ordinals for the long program and Michelle and Irina should have had 2nds and 3rds-I don't see how that can be argued at all. That whole event, if you look further into the results, was a mess LOL.

    I believe if one more judge had Michelle in 2nd place, she would have won. I could be wrong though. I would like to see the ordinals again just to see how many judges actually had Sarah winning, placing her first, Irina second, and Michelle third. is there anywhere we can view?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HSGP21 View Post
    Sale/Pelletier and Hughes are a close tie...but watching this hilarious video again tipped me over the edge to vote for S/P : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkq...?search_algo=2
    Link wouldn't work for me cause I live outside of the U.S. Pity!
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    Sarah-1 4 3 4 1 2 1 1 1
    Irina- 3 1 1 1 4 1 2 3 2
    Mk- 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 2 3

    judge #1 had MK as the overall winner
    judge#2 had Irina as the overall winner
    Judge#3 had Irina as the oveall winner
    Judge #4 had Irina as the overall winner
    Judge #5 had MK as the overall winner
    Judge #6 had irina as the overall winner
    Judge #7 had Sarah as the overall winner
    Judge #8 had MK as the overall winner
    Judge #9 had Sarah as the overall winner.

    So Michelle had 3 judges place her as the winner of the competition
    Irina had 4
    Sarah actually only had two because out of the five judges that ranked her 1st in the LP,3 of them had MK in second which would have make her the winner.

    If I did this correctly. So no one was trying to make sure she won. She just ended up winning.It actually looks to me like judges 2-4 were trying to ensure that Irina won, putting her first and Sara 3rd or 4th.

    Interestingly, three of the four judges that had Irina in 1st place had Michelle in 2nd place and Sarah third or lower.

    Also here are Sarah's placements for the short program 6 10 4 5 5 5 5 4 4
    Last edited by UGG; 07-27-2012 at 05:59 PM.

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