CoP programs worthy of a 6.0?

**shady82** · 07-12-2012, 12:24 AM

Which programs scored under CoP do you think merit a 6.0 under the old judging system? I'd love to compile a list of these programs. Here's a couple for starters - unless otherwise noted, the 6.0 is for presentation:

MEN:
Daisuke Takahashi, 2006 NHK LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmrr1gpGOPA
Daisuke Takahashi, 2007 World Championships LP: couldn't find the program

**Fozzie Bear** · 07-12-2012, 01:15 AM

Some great choices there!

I'd definitely add this: Joannie Rochette 2010 Olympic SP

And this one, even with the mistake: Stephane Lambiel 2006 Worlds LP

**Blair** · 07-12-2012, 01:17 AM

This would have gotten 6.0 for presentation back in the day.

Jeremy Abbott 2012 Nats FP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVofN...feature=fvwrel

**HSGP21** · 07-12-2012, 01:21 AM

Virtue and Moir, 2008 World FD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBVli-xfJK0

**judgejudy27** · 07-12-2012, 01:27 AM

Yu Na Kim's Vancouver LP would have gotten some 6.0s in any past Olympics or in Vancouver itself under 6.0. It would have won any past Olympics too, probably sweeping all 9 first place ordinals in the LP at any past Olympics to boot (I dont see Tara from Nagano taking one judge off her, and that was the 2nd greatest Olympic winning LP ever).

Vritue & Moir's Vancouver FD would have gotten some 6.0s in any past Olympics except for 1984 or 1992, or in Vancouver itself under 6.0. It would have won any past Olympics except possibly 1984 and 1992.

Irina Slutskaya's 2006 Olympics SP might have gotten a 6.0 or two for required elements, then again she has never gotten a 6.0 for technical merit at the World or Olympic level so perhaps not. I cant believe her 2002 Worlds SP did not get 6.0s for technical merit which it should have, and did get 6.0s for presentation which it should not have. Her 2006 Olympics SP was just as strong technically and superior in presentation to her 2002 Worlds SP.

Sasha's 2006 Olympics SP probably would have gotten some 6.0s for presentation depending on skate order.

Shen & Zhou's 2005 GP final LP would probably have gotten a few 6.0s.

Totmianina & Marinin's 2006 Olympic LP might have gotten a 6.0 or two.

Stephane Lambiel's 2006 Worlds and 2007 Worlds LP probably would have gotten a couple 6.0s for presentation despite the technical errors.

Plushenkos 2005 GP final long program and his 2006 Olympics LP would likely have gotten a couple 6.0s for technical merit, especialy against the field at the time.

**vodkashot** · 07-12-2012, 01:28 AM

Daisuke Takahashi, 2012 WTT LP: http://youtu.be/lDcT_dGSR-I
Yu-Na Kim, 2007 Worlds SP: http://youtu.be/dC0kuQc4Jik
Savchenko/Szolkowy, 2009 Skate Canada LP: http://youtu.be/Bg_DuW8WyLE

**AxelAnnie** · 07-12-2012, 01:29 AM

I don't know enough to comment in ice dance on COP v. 6.0....but that V/M performance was heaven! One of my favorite pieces of music. I don't think I had seen that. Thanks.

**DaiKozOda** · 07-12-2012, 01:42 AM

Daisuke Takahashi - Japanese Nationals 2011 - SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziQ253eUi2I
Virtue & Moir - Worlds 2012 - SD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPBOWNw3iMs
Kavaguti & Smirnov - Euros 2010 - SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua9JK05mOn0
Volosozhar & Trankov - Worlds 2012 - LP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe4aLU3KhRg
Yu-Na Kim - Worlds 2009 - SP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3qaPtr5Re0

**Macassar88** · 07-12-2012, 01:57 AM

Virtue and Moir 2008 FD, 2010 FD and OD
Domnina and Shabalin 2010 CD
Kim Yuna 2010 SP and FS
Slutskaya 2005 FS
Asada 2008 SP

**bartek** · 07-12-2012, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by judgejudy27

Yu Na Kim's Vancouver LP would have gotten some 6.0s in any past Olympics or in Vancouver itself under 6.0. It would have won any past Olympics too, probably sweeping all 9 first place ordinals in the LP at any past Olympics to boot (I dont see Tara from Nagano taking one judge off her, and that was the 2nd greatest Olympic winning LP ever).

Vritue & Moir's Vancouver FD would have gotten some 6.0s in any past Olympics except for 1984 or 1992, or in Vancouver itself under 6.0. It would have won any past Olympics except possibly 1984 and 1992.

Irina Slutskaya's 2006 Olympics SP might have gotten a 6.0 or two for required elements, then again she has never gotten a 6.0 for technical merit at the World or Olympic level so perhaps not. I cant believe her 2002 Worlds SP did not get 6.0s for technical merit which it should have, and did get 6.0s for presentation which it should not have. Her 2006 Olympics SP was just as strong technically and superior in presentation to her 2002 Worlds SP.

Sasha's 2006 Olympics SP probably would have gotten some 6.0s for presentation depending on skate order.

Shen & Zhou's 2005 GP final LP would probably have gotten a few 6.0s.

Totmianina & Marinin's 2006 Olympic LP might have gotten a 6.0 or two.

Stephane Lambiel's 2006 Worlds and 2007 Worlds LP probably would have gotten a couple 6.0s for presentation despite the technical errors.

Plushenkos 2005 GP final long program and his 2006 Olympics LP would likely have gotten a couple 6.0s for technical merit, especialy against the field at the time.

As much as I like Slutskaya's skating I don't think any of her shorts deserved 6.0 for technical merit. I would give 6.0 for a skater who landed a triple-triple in SP. Besides, her short from 2006 Olympics wasn't that perfect as she had weak landing on her 3Lz-2T combination.

I think that her 2005 Worlds definitely would've gotten some 6.0's, surely for technical merit and maybe even for presentation since the range of emotion in that performance was incredible.

I would give Yu-Na 6.0 for presentation for her SP from both 2009 Worlds and 2009 4CC and also 6.0 for presentation for 2010 FS from the Olympics. I'm not sure if she should get 6.0 for techical since she did not include one of the triple jumps.

Sasha should definitely get 6.0's for presentation at 2006 Olympics. This program was undermarked in PCS. Yu-Na got more in Vancouver and I don't think it's fair though it might not be the best idea to compare scores form different competitions.

**Cherub721** · 07-12-2012, 02:27 AM

I agree that many of these programs would have been deserving of 6.0s, but not all of them would have actually received 6.0s when skating order is taken into account. For example, Volosozhar & Trankov weren't even in the last group for the 2012 Worlds LP. How many skaters have gotten a 6.0 from the penultimate group? Petrenko in the 94 Oly LP is the only one I recall.

**judgejudy27** · 07-12-2012, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by bartek

As much as I like Slutskaya's skating I don't think any of her shorts deserved 6.0 for technical merit. I would give 6.0 for a skater who landed a triple-triple in SP. Besides, her short from 2006 Olympics wasn't that perfect as she had weak landing on her 3Lz-2T combination.

I think that her 2005 Worlds definitely would've gotten some 6.0's, surely for technical merit and maybe even for presentation since the range of emotion in that performance was incredible.

I would give Yu-Na 6.0 for presentation for her SP from both 2009 Worlds and 2009 4CC and also 6.0 for presentation for 2010 FS from the Olympics. I'm not sure if she should get 6.0 for techical since she did not include one of the triple jumps.

Sasha should definitely get 6.0's for presentation at 2006 Olympics. This program was undermarked in PCS. Yu-Na got more in Vancouver and I don't think it's fair though it might not be the best idea to compare scores form different competitions.

Valid points on why Slutskaya didnt get a 6.0 for tech. in the short program. Still nobody was doing a triple-triple in the short back in 2002, so I think 6.0s for technical for her SP at Worlds and the GP final would have been merited. Why the heck give 6.0s for presentation (which for Slutskaya can never be justified, 5.9s perhaps) and not her any for tech. which is her main strength, even for any of her technicallly outstanding SPs, it makes no sense.

I agree on Cohen's 2006 SP but indeed as you suggested you cant compare scores from 2006 to 2010 at all. The scoring inflation over time vs quality is ridiculous. Quality might have improved on the whole since then (well in some disciplines, at some times, not really) but in no way by the margin of the scores.

I cant believe I am saying this but I think one or two judges might have thrown out a 6.0 for Miki Ando's LP at the 2006 Skate America and 2007 Worlds event. Triple lutz-triple loop, 7 triples in both, and all jumps clean and very strong. Other elements not that great, but on the tech. mark under 6.0 they started with the jumps and looked at other elements from there. Which just shows how COP is different, since Asada's LP outscored her technically at Worlds even with the mistakes, but probably wouldnt have under 6.0 even with her triple axel due to the mistakes.

**Proustable** · 07-12-2012, 03:45 AM

How about Patrick Chan's SP at Worlds 2011?

**Marco** · 07-12-2012, 10:03 AM

Kim's 2007 and 2009 Worlds short programs and 2010 Olympic long program.

Asada's 2006 Skate America short program.

Suzuki's 2011 NHK short program.

Kostner's 2012 Worlds long program.

Czisny's 2011 US Nationals long program.

Weir's 2006 Olympic short program.

Buttle's 2008 Worlds long program.

Chan's 2011 Worlds short program.

Way too many to pick from Lambiel and Takahashi.

**Emdee** · 07-12-2012, 10:56 AM

Chan's 4CC in 2009

**tut88** · 07-12-2012, 11:43 AM

Lambiel's flamenco 2007-2008

**sk8ingcoach** · 07-12-2012, 12:17 PM

Kostner LP worlds 2012
Kostner SP GPF 2011
Yuna Kim LP olympics
Patrick Chan SP & LP worlds 2011
Akiko Suzuki SP NHK 2011
Irina Slutskaya LP Worlds 2005
Volosozhar & Trankov LP Worlds 2012
Savchenko & Szolkowy LP Worlds 2011

**Amy03** · 07-12-2012, 12:20 PM

Asada sp 2009 team world trophy - Clair de lune
Asada fs 2011 4cc - Liebestraum

Takahashi 2010 fs

**gingercrush** · 07-12-2012, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Marco

Asada's 2006 Skate America short program.

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Only on the artistic side as the Triple Flutz would have prevented the 6.0. On her Short Programs World Team Trophy SP springs to mind. Both a 6.0 in required elements and artisty would have been merited.

I'm not sure any of her LPs would merit a 6.0 on artisitc side due to lack of the five normal triples and the flutz. Extremely technically difficult but not enough.

**Amy03** · 07-12-2012, 12:26 PM

I'm not sure any of her LPs would merit a 6.0 on artisitc side due to lack of the five normal triples and the flutz. Extremely technically difficult but not enough.[/QUOTE]

well the flutz would not even have been considered a flutz in the old system it's much later the edge rules got stricter, and in her Liebestraum she had all the tripples included that should have given her 6.0 on the tech and artistic side!

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