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    Quote Originally Posted by aliceanne View Post
    It is a test of your endurance just like being able to successfully skate both the short and the long program is in skating. Plus the athletes who are the best in one event are often the best in similar events.
    In skating the short and long program are, in essence, both part of the same event. The scores are combined to get the final score.

    I can see why swimmers might want to accumulate multiple medals. In my book, one gold in skating is worth 50 golds in swimming.

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    I always root for the veterans - even if I didn't like them when they were young/in their prime. There's something inspiring about someone who'd done all that already and keeps going, whether for the love of the sport, the competition or to challenge onself.

    I cheered for Dara Torres. I cheered like mad (in front of my computer) for 38 year old decathlete Roman Sebrle last week in Helsinki. I loved it that almost-30 Kevin VDP had a great competition in Nice.

    Of the athletes mentioned above, I belive 37-yo Chusovitina won a medal at this year's Euros. Butyrskaya won her world title at age 26 and her last Euro title at almost-30.

    Todd Eldredge won a medal at worlds at 29-1/2. I think that's the oldest for a single skater in post-figures skating. Stojko was 28 when he won the silver in 2000.

    I think that the wear-and-tear of modern skating will not allow someone to still be competitive in their 40s. Today's skating requires triples (for all) and quads (for men) and just practicing them puts a huge toll on skaters' bodies. It is no wonder Plushy is glued together many times over.

    It used to be that pairs and dance were easier on the body (I said easi-er, not easy), but I think the contortions and variations erequired by CoP are atking their toll on them, as well. Note how many pair/dancers have been waylaid by injuries in the past few years.

    Maybe on a national level someone could go on (and win titles) to their 40s, but not in international competition.

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    I have been very fortunate over many years to be able to see various elite eligible skaters practice and train with their coaches. Setting ice dance aside, the beating that triples and especially quads deliver to the body is amazing.

    It doesn't show as much in competition/performance because that's when the skater does his or her ultimate best to make it look easy and flowing; we're seeing the finished product, not the daily pounding it takes to get there. The torque, the force all going into the landing on a single blade edge takes a huge toll on backs, hips, etc. That's not even counting the number of falls and failed jumps it takes in practice to achieve the hardest jumps - every day!

    This also goes for the force that throw jumps have on ladies skating pairs. The first time I saw up close Elena B. practicing throw triples with Anton I was stunned at how much force and energy her body had to absorb on each landing and how much abuse it took on each failed attempt when she fell - and it's over and over and over.

    Most elite skating is a very high impact sport.
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    ^^^ Remembered Kristy Krall telling a reporter that the impact of a quad is like a huge fridge falling on you! Don't know how Iron Man Plushenko managed to survive his quads all these years.
    We can have veteran (for those over 40) competitions so that for those who enjoy and still can figure skate with a few tricks and moves, can continue to do so. If they can have juniors, why not veterans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spikydurian View Post
    ^^^ Remembered Kristy Krall telling a reporter that the impact of a quad is like a huge fridge falling on you! Don't know how Iron Man Plushenko managed to survive his quads all these years.
    We can have veteran (for those over 40) competitions so that for those who enjoy and still can figure skate with a few tricks and moves, can continue to do so. If they can have juniors, why not veterans?
    They used to have this - they were called professional competitions, but it was really all about the veterans until they ruined the circuit by allowing so many pro-ams. I really wish professional (or veteran) competitions would be revived.

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    Petrova/Tikhonov competed into their thirties. I think Alexei was 36 when they retired. Maybe 35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    But that being said, there are lots of skaters age 40 and older who compete in adult events and have a great time. They may not be landing triples, or even doubles, or doing spins with their foot held over their head, but they're out there competing nonetheless.
    Case in point: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=83794
    "Randy [Starkman (1960-April 16, 2012)] lived by the same motto as the rest of us. The Olympics isn’t every four years, it’s every single day. He just got it." --Canadian Olympic kayaker Adam van Koeverden

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    The Protopopovs were in their thirties when they won their first OGM. After 2 OGMs they continued to skate well into their 60's or 70's. Although they were not competing then, they did compete in the pros when Ludmilla was 47 and Oleg was 51.

    However, in the eligible ranks it will be tough to compete when someone is over 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essence_of_soy View Post
    Though Manzano had skated very well at the National championships, on that basis, she should easily have made the cut at Worlds. However, she only attempted one triple (a toe loop), fell several times, and had trouble even with the double axel.
    To be fair to Miriam, that was the year she took her case for being on the Olympic team in 2006 to court -and ended up losing. I got the sense she never really got over that and even though she probably had the best of intentions for 2006 Worlds, she didn't skate well at all. I find it hard to believe losing the 3lutz and 3loop she was still landing in 2005 at 4CC was due to aging one year. In her case, psychology was more of a factor...

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/fc..._FS_scores.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioana View Post
    To be fair to Miriam, that was the year she took her case for being on the Olympic team in 2006 to court -and ended up losing. I got the sense she never really got over that and even though she probably had the best of intentions for 2006 Worlds, she didn't skate well at all. I find it hard to believe losing the 3lutz and 3loop she was still landing in 2005 at 4CC was due to aging one year. In her case, psychology was more of a factor...

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/fc..._FS_scores.pdf
    Would she have done better than Joanne Cater who didn't make it past the SP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ioana View Post
    To be fair to Miriam, that was the year she took her case for being on the Olympic team in 2006 to court -and ended up losing. I got the sense she never really got over that and even though she probably had the best of intentions for 2006 Worlds, she didn't skate well at all. I find it hard to believe losing the 3lutz and 3loop she was still landing in 2005 at 4CC was due to aging one year. In her case, psychology was more of a factor...

    http://www.isuresults.com/results/fc..._FS_scores.pdf
    I never heard the details about that court case.. care to elaborate?

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    Still, not too shabby:

    "Dara Torres will be watching the Summer Olympics from her home in Florida, instead of heading to her sixth games at the age of the 45.

    The Cuban-American missed making a record sixth U.S. swim team by nine-hundredths of a second, finishing fourth in the 50-meter freestyle on the last night of the trials Monday."

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    There is no reason that skating could not develop events where people could compete longer. There could be events where people just do a short or just do a long or even bring back some figures! Not sure why there is no expansion of the discipline. We watch every conceivable distance and stroke of swimming at the Olympics, which is not exactly a thrill a minute.
    ~ Alison

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    I saw a recent video of Alexei Urmanov teaching - still has all triples and a beautiful 2 axel - if Jason Brown is a contender he certainly is. I don't think he is quite 40 yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlisonS View Post
    There is no reason that skating could not develop events where people could compete longer. There could be events where people just do a short or just do a long or even bring back some figures!
    Age doesn't prohibit doing both a short and a long. After all, they never schedule them on the same day. As long as you've got 24 hours in between, it shouldn't be a problem, even for an over 40 person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyWarhol View Post
    Would she have done better than Joanne Cater who didn't make it past the SP?
    The whole appeal process took over a year, so I don't think it helped Jo's performance at the Olympics, either. The initial appeal Miriam made was after the 2005 4CC which (for reasons that escape me) was used to determine next year's Turin spot. This article has a good summary of how things happened.

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/Sport/...066861508.html

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    Strangely enough, I had a dream the other night. Oksana Domnina's true birth year was revealed to be 1942, same year my mom was born. I was like "that chick is almost 70??? So. . . she won a world title with Shabby-Knees when she was like 60-something?"
    BARK LESS. WAG MORE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilJen View Post
    Strangely enough, I had a dream the other night. Oksana Domnina's true birth year was revealed to be 1942, same year my mom was born. I was like "that chick is almost 70??? So. . . she won a world title with Shabby-Knees when she was like 60-something?"
    Very good
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Long live Fumie Suguri!!!!

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    They have the Youth Olympics maybe they should have the Senior Olympics for advanced adult athletes ... but with a better name.

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