If they had counted her third loop or if she hadn't forgot that she'd already landed it in combination with triple lutz she would've set a record score that wouldn't be broken until Yu-Na's Olympic performance.
The total vote count is already 20 more numerous than the previous one. I guess the "additional" new accounts are created for this poll. It's quite useless to continue.
Irina NEVER lost her lutz throughout her whole career so your point is totally irrelevant.
Those 3Zs she did in her SPs at 97 and 98 worlds and Nagano really were a thing of beauty, weren't they? Um... denial much?
It was a different system. Nobody took anyone seriously in the late 90s/early 00s without a 3z/2t in the sp... look at Bonaly at Nagano. Irina never would have risked it if she thought she could get away with the 3t/3t like she tried in the LP, where she reduced her layout to 1 3z attempt because the jump was giving her fits and was no longer reliable. Mao never really lost her 3z anymore any any other lady who did a crappy one, but she skates during a period where poor tech is so severely judged, its best to leave it out. apples vs oranges.
IMO, the sp was Irina's stronger event, and the lp was stronger for Michelle. Culture, for example was one of the best sp's of that era and it would take one heck of an effort for Michelle (or anyone else) to beat it. Personally, I'm not convinced that even Irina's famous GPF performance with 2 3/3s could take on some of Michelle's best 7 triple performances but I guess we'll never know. They were very closely matched when you tally all of the strengths and weaknesses together so I think it would depend on the panel. It's worth noting (IMO at least) that the judges could have gone with Slutskaya in 2000 or 2001 but they didn't. It would have been controversial, but there have been much more controversial decisions before and after. Michelle was not as great as Irina in the jump and spin department, but she was close enough that if she landed her planned content and placed top 3 in the sp, her superior performance ability would carry her to victory as the presentation mark weighs more heavily in a free program.
I also agree that on a strictly CoP based poll, Irina would be a clear strong second to Kim. A system that rewards difficulty more than anything else was tailor-made for Slutskaya's skating style!
This is so biased and unfair BUT *not useless*. Moreover, SamuraiK is doing these very well. It's not that easy so I respect his efforts.
Remember this is "The Trash Can" where you're. Let’s just relax and enjoy yourself! Or why not create a poll 'Is the ~~ poll useless or not.' JK
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Mao and Yu Na might have it all skating wise but they dont have the consistency, longevity, or strong competitive abilities of Michelle, Irina, Kristi Yamaguchi, Katarina Witt, or Tara Lipinski. How else to explain how they allowed a WAY less talented skater like Miki Ando to win the same # of World/Olympic titles as them in the same era- 2. Imagine if Miki ends up with more combined World and Olympic titles than Mao and Yu Na, that would be utterly embarassing considering the huge talent edge those two have over her. Would Miki even win 1 World title in the Michelle/Irina era?
Miki did a triple lutz-triple loop at the 2004 Worlds and was still crushed by a clean Sasha and her triple-double, a not clean and not very good (in that performance) Arakawa, and would have been below Kwan and her triple-double without her time violation. I imagine her 2007 Worlds SP would have placed 4th in the short at the 2000 Worlds. Maria was exquisite and simply unbeatable that day, her best short program ever, and Irina and Michelle were both fairly clean and very strong and their overall elements and presentation would have easily kept them above Miki. Miki's difficult triple-triple would have successfully pushed her ahead of Gusmeroli, Hughes, and Nikidinov, all whom probably would have beaten her that day without it as well. As for the LP given Michelle's amazing skate and Irina's high marks maybe 3rd place ahead of Butyrskaya in the LP if lucky. Overall probably 4th place due to Maria's short program.
The thing to remember about Miki is she is not even a complete technical skater. She is not in the league of an overall skater of even Slutskaya who is also labeled a jumper predominantly. Slutskaya had excellent spins, footwork, even adequate spirals. Miki pales in comparision to Irina in all those elements, only in jumps can she compete. Slutskaya also had tremendous speed over the ice, and her presentation was quite strong in many areas, she had command and presence, a vivacious personality and high performance level, and at times even some nice musicality. So Ando in overall presentation pales as well. Outside of excellent jumps, ability to do triple-triples, and mutually ugly positions and lack of polish, they really arent comparable at all. One is a master technician in all senses, not just in jumping, who manages to have a quite strong overall presentation too despite her lack of polish. The other is just a jumper who worked hard to raise her spins and overall presentation to something that generously could be deemed arguably adequate at one point.
I do agree Miki at the 2007 Worlds was quite excellent though, even if I still highly doubt such a one dimensional skater winning Worlds in the Kwan era. She still needed Mao to blow 8 points on her combination alone in the short and give up another 7 points with an undrortation + 2 foot landing and 2 foot landing in the LP (still losing the LP by 6 points to Mao with her own squeeky clean skate) to barely eke Mao, and Yu Na to take two huge falls and have a mini meltdown in the LP to edge her. Even if you totally disagree with me there, which I suspect you do though, what to say about her 2011 Worlds winning performances. 5 triples, no triple flip, a miss on her key element, and this from a skater who even with some improvement over the years is still essentialy nothing more than a jumper. Forget would that performance have ever won a World title in the Kwan/Slutskaya era (duh of course not), but would it have even ever won a medal in any year. Yet Kim and Asada who were both competing at those Worlds let that performance win a 2nd World title for Ando. Not good for them.