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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    OMG! I didn't realise that skaters like Marchei, McCorkell, Lacoste, Silete, Czisny, Lafuente, Korobeynikova, Popova, Hecken, Frank, Mikonsaari wouldn't qualify! That's really harsh. But I think there will be a way around it, such as inflated scores at B competitions, because I can't imagine that they would want to have Worlds with only 13 ladies.

    Also, the skaters will have more attempts than just one to reach the score.
    Some of them would qualify- Czisny for example met it at Skate America and GPF. If I understand, they don't have to get that score at World's- they have to get it somewhere to qualify for worlds (though I can't get the document to open. Is there still a cut from SP to free?). Using Czisny's world's score (where she totally bombed) is a bit misleading. Others on that list met the score in other competitions.

    BUT it does show that these "big name" skaters don't always meet that score- so there is very little hope for the low ranking skaters.


    I do have a small amount of worry that if the field becomes so small at World's it will risk figure skating as an Olympic sport. The Olympics thinks that the competitiveness of multiple nations is a very important factor. If figure skating becomes all about one or two nations (like softball) it could be in trouble (though as a 'flagship' type sport, this is unlikely.)

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    From day 1 people said this was a very stupid move by the smaller federations.. Now they are in the hands of the COunsil's decisions at least until the 2014 congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    OMG! I didn't realise that skaters like Marchei, McCorkell, Lacoste, Silete, Czisny, Lafuente, Korobeynikova, Popova, Hecken, Frank, Mikonsaari wouldn't qualify! That's really harsh. But I think there will be a way around it, such as inflated scores at B competitions, because I can't imagine that they would want to have Worlds with only 13 ladies.

    Also, the skaters will have more attempts than just one to reach the score.
    As I wrote, Silete, Marchei, Czisny, Korobeynikova, Popova, and Frank met the minimum before Worlds. Lafuente and Hecken had at least one 27+-point score, and Lacoste a 26+-point score. Only McCorkell and Mikonsaari didn't come close to the Worlds minimum.

    I was trying to give context to how high 28 TES is, based on last year's Worlds. All but two were capable of earning 28, and McCorkell could if she got back into shape, but it's going to be tough. Hecken had four tries -- one GP and three Senior B's -- and Lafuente one GP and two Senior B's.

    Skate Canada would have had a problem in 2011-12 if these rules had been in place: neither Pfaneuf nor Lacoste earned the 28. (Both had 26.X.) The only Canadian to earn the new minimum would have been Kaetlyn Osmond, who earned 28.46 at Jr. Worlds.

    It will be interesting to see if the minimum scores are applied to the Olympics. They likely will impact Olympic selection next year, especially if they're not adjusted. (If the ISU is monitoring scores to see the potential impact at Worlds, it would be very helpful if they maintained the list of highest SP scores, including international competitions, on the website.)

    At this rate, perhaps the scenario where Canada does not qualify a Ladies' spot for Sochi at either London Worlds or the Olympic qualifier, and Rochette is enlisted to skate the team event is a little more likely.
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    Either I don't understand something, or Worlds are going to be a slightly extended version of GP event.

    In 2012 SP we had :
    13 men
    12 pairs
    12 ladies
    8 ice-dance couples

    that made the required minimum.

    Is there any point we're supposed to get?
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    Men who scored more than 35 in the 2011-2012 season (I'll try to consolidate data for all categories/segments when im back from work)

    BEL
    JoriK Hendrickx
    Kevin Van Der Perren (Retired)
    CAN
    Andrei Rogozine
    Kevin Reynolds
    Patrick Chan
    CHN
    Han Yan
    Jialiang Wu (Retired)
    Jinlin Guan
    Nan Song
    CZE
    Tomas Verner
    Michal Brezina
    ESP
    Javier Fernandez
    javier Raya
    FRA
    Brian Joubert
    Chafik Besseghier
    Florent Amodio
    GER
    Peter Liebers
    ITA
    Paolo Bacchini
    Samuel Contesti (Retired)
    JPN
    Daisuke Murakami
    Daisuke Takahashi
    Keiji Tanaka
    Kento Nakamura
    Nobunari Oda
    Ryuju HIno
    Takahiko Kozuka
    Takahito Mura
    Tatsuki Machida
    Yuzuru Hanyu
    KAZ
    Denis Ten
    ROU
    Zoltan Kelemen
    RUS
    Artem Grigoriev (Retired)
    Artur Dmitriev
    Artur Gachinski
    Evgeni Plushenko
    Ivan Bariev
    Ivan Tretiakov
    Konstantin Menshov
    Zhan Bush
    SWE
    Alexander Majkorov
    USA
    Adam Rippon
    Brandon Mroz
    Grant Hochstein
    Jason Brown
    Jeremy Abott
    Joshua Farris
    Keegan Messing
    Max Aaron
    Richard Dornbush
    Ross Miner
    Stephen Carriere

    Noticeables absences: Kim Lucine, Viktor Pfeifer, Misha Ge, Christopher Caluza.

    If we take into account spots aviailables for each federation we have only 22 Men competing at worlds so far..

    Trying to look at the positive side, this could be a precedent for increasing the numbers of spots by country?
    Last edited by SamuraiK; 06-27-2012 at 08:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey aka Pushkin View Post
    Either I don't understand something, or Worlds are going to be a slightly extended version of GP event.

    In 2012 SP we had :
    13 men
    12 pairs
    12 ladies
    8 ice-dance couples
    It isn't who got the score in the short program at world's, but people who got the score anytime during the season who can qualify (then narrowed down by the country entry limits)

    So it is very limited, but not quite as limited as you listed. It does seem like it will just be an extended grand prix though.

    Maybe they should scrap the country limits and just take the top X skaters from the season (by score, not by ranking- because the senior B's in Europe always skew that).

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    Ladies who scored 28 or plus in the SP during the 2011-2012 season:


    CAN
    Kaetlyn Osmond
    CHN
    Bingwa Geng
    Kexin Zhang
    Zijun Li
    Ziquan Zhao
    GEO
    Elene Gedevanishvili
    EST
    Elena Glebova
    Gerli Liinamae
    FIN
    Juulia Turkkila
    Kiira Korpi
    FRA
    Lenaelle Gilleron-Gory
    Mae Berenice Meite
    Yretha Silete
    ITA
    Carolina Kostner
    Valentina Marchei
    JPN
    Akiko Suzuki
    Haruna Suzuki
    Haruka Imai
    Mao Asada
    Miu Sato
    Kako tomotaki
    Kanako Murakami
    Risa Shoji
    Satoko Miyahara
    Yuki Nishino
    KOR
    Hae-Jin Kim
    RUS
    Adelina Sotnikova
    Alena Leonova
    Anna Ovcharova
    Anna Shershak
    Elizaveta Tuktamysheva
    Julia Lipnistskaya
    Ksenia Makarova
    Kristina Zaseeva
    Maria Artemieva
    Maria Stavistkaya
    Polina Agafonova
    Polina Korobeynikova
    Polina Shelepen
    Sofia Biryukova
    SLO
    Patricia Glescic
    SWE
    Joshi Helgesson
    Viktoria Helgesson
    UKR
    Natalia Popova
    USA
    Agnes Zawadski
    Alissa Czisny
    Ashley Wagner
    Caroline Zhang
    Christina Gao
    Gracie Gold
    Mirai Nagasu
    Rachael Flatt
    Samantha Cesario
    Vanessa Lam

    Noticeable absences: Sarah Hecken, Ming Jung Kwak, Sonia Lafuente, Amelie Lacoste

    That's again only 22 ladies spots so far for the World Championships!
    Last edited by SamuraiK; 06-27-2012 at 08:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiK View Post
    From day 1 people said this was a very stupid move by the smaller federations..
    Not all the smaller federations voted against retaining the preliminaries. Let's not lump them all in together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiK View Post
    Ladies who scored 28 or plus in the SP during the 2011-2012 season:

    ...

    That's again only 22 ladies spots so far for the World Championships!
    But of those ladies, how many of them also met the required FS TES mark? It could drop even further!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    It isn't who got the score in the short program at world's, but people who got the score anytime during the season who can qualify (then narrowed down by the country entry limits)
    Of course, but I'm not as hardcore to check every single SP TES. But I think the worlds results give a good indication; after all this is what they're all supposed to achieve.
    Maybe they should scrap the country limits and just take the top X skaters from the season (by score, not by ranking- because the senior B's in Europe always skew that).
    I would HATE that.
    Figure skating is a personal sport, but it's funded and supported by the federations; it's not tennis.
    We already have the "private club" of the big federations, and it's called the GP series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey aka Pushkin View Post
    We already have the "private club" of the big federations, and it's called the GP series.
    Yeah, and it is about to be world's too....

    So if you already aren't letting the world compete, have it be the top skaters regardless of country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by essence_of_soy View Post
    You have a point. 20.00 is reasonable. At 28.00, of the 30 skaters who skated the short program, only ten earned 28.00 or more.

    Possibly 5 or 6 others who didn't may have earned that score internationally prior to the event.

    But yes, the numbers are really going to drop significantly.

    Worlds may be skated in a day!
    Even 20.00 is too high for Ladies from small federations, Clara Peters who qualified for the SP at Euros AND Worlds has never met 20 points in technical for the SP. Why do they call it the World Championships, when only the skaters from the best 8 countries can compete? The Worlds will never be the same again where the best skater/s from every country in the World can compete at the World Championships, i loved to watch them, even if they coudnt land triple jumps.
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    I agree with Skittl1321; if we are not going to see the skaters from the small federations anyway, we may as well see the best in the world, without any limits on what country they come from.

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    I seriously doubt they are seriously going to limit the number of skaters to 10.
    I would assume they will fill up the missing spots according to the federations spots going by the SB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elfenblüte View Post
    Even 20.00 is too high for Ladies from small federations, Clara Peters who qualified for the SP at Euros AND Worlds has never met 20 points in technical for the SP.
    Peters is planning to put triple jumps in next season. Still 28 points for Worlds is going to be really tough to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elfenblüte View Post
    Even 20.00 is too high for Ladies from small federations, Clara Peters who qualified for the SP at Euros AND Worlds has never met 20 points in technical for the SP.
    Sorry to say and not to offend anyone, but who does not meet the required elements (i.e. 2 different triple jumps in the Ladies SP) should not be in any senior Championships. Rules are there for a reason this way and that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkatingIsLife View Post
    Sorry to say and not to offend anyone, but who does not meet the required elements (i.e. 2 different triple jumps in the Ladies SP) should not be in any senior Championships. Rules are there for a reason this way and that way.
    If the ISU wanted this, they should have made the qualifying off the short program, and not the free program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allezfred View Post
    Peters is planning to put triple jumps in next season. Still 28 points for Worlds is going to be really tough to make.
    Thats really good for her but i doubt she could make the 28 technical points in the near future, let alone the points for the FP. And what happens to all the other skaters from developing federations? It was so important for them to compete at the World Championships to get expirience and train with the best skaters.
    I think Javier Fernandez wouldnt be a world class skater now if he couldnt have compete at Euros and Worlds from the very beginning of his skating career.

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    The ISU and these federations keep coming up with more and creative ways of shooting themselves in the foot. While I don't mind a slight increase in the technical elements score, some of these score increases are completely ridiculous.

    This is going to say to smaller federations that are trying to actually develop their skaters, that they aren't cared about, that only the big more powerful boys can come to play. It sends completely the wrong message.
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    Does this ruling only effect countries who have not qualified direct entries through the previous ISU championships?

    For example, I believe Denis Ten qualified 2 men for KAZ for Worlds next season. Is the ISU saying, despite the pre-qualification, both skaters must have met the minimum requirement to enter?

    And what if a world class skater (like a Denis Ten) were to be injured and unable to compete in the fall but healthy enough to compete in the spring? No ISU championship because no minimum met, or can a federation petition for such an invitation?
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