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    Quote Originally Posted by berthesghost View Post
    Well, it's certainly a life lesson. Schools lose accreditation all the time and they also close down entire programs. How is any of that fair to the students? That's life.

    I can't imagine how enrollment isn't going to be damaged. Why would anyone choose to go to such a school where this is not only allowed to happen, but encouraged to happen. Who would willingly associate their name with such a school?
    As long as they have accreditation, students who live nearby who can't afford to go off to college will still go there. And anyone getting a scholarship to Penn State & nowhere else will go. But you're right, students who went there for the name will choose somewhere else.

    I imagine the warning status was just so Penn State could be monitored. Everyone who should lose his/her job probably hasn't yet...they still have some rotten apples to get rid of, including everyone who thinks anything goes as long as it glorifies football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berthesghost View Post
    Well, it's certainly a life lesson. Schools lose accreditation all the time and they also close down entire programs. How is any of that fair to the students? That's life.
    And while life is unfair, we should try to make it less so. Removing accreditation doesn't help.

    Punish the people who deserve to be punished, not the students that had nothing to do with this.

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    The accreditation warning is a tool used to assure that the university addresses issues in governance that the Sandusky case shows were weak or non-existent. It is not expected to result in loss of accreditation as PSU will have a two year process to ensure that they are complying and administrators have been cooperating in the beginning of that process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wickedwitch View Post
    And while life is unfair, we should try to make it less so. Removing accreditation doesn't help.

    Punish the people who deserve to be punished, not the students that had nothing to do with this.
    This warning is in aide of students. How is it fair to attend a university that allows rape for fear that they might lose a ball game if they don't? Penn state has been f-ing their students over for years. Schools lose their accredidations when they fail to provide a quality education. How is allowing a school to continue accepting money and profit from students they fail to protect fair on the students? If there are no other schools to attend in pa, then all the more reason to abolish this monopoly. I live in the smallest state in the union and we have multiple state universities to choose from.

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    So, it's the job of the regional accrediting agencies to possibly force students to attend a different university because the school failed to protect children from a criminal?

    I mean, what happened at Penn State is awful, and I can understand, to a certain extent, why they would risk losing accreditation over it, but the above argument makes no sense to me.

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    Eh, somehow I don't think people would have cared about this half as much if the victims had been young girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heckles View Post
    Eh, somehow I don't think people would have cared about this half as much if the victims had been young girls.
    Really? I think it would have engendered even more outrage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milanessa View Post
    I think it would have engendered even more outrage.
    Nah, there would have been slut-shaming all over the internet, naming the girls and intimating they provoked it. That's if it even made the news at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berthesghost View Post
    This warning is in aide of students. How is it fair to attend a university that allows rape for fear that they might lose a ball game if they don't? Penn state has been f-ing their students over for years. Schools lose their accredidations when they fail to provide a quality education. How is allowing a school to continue accepting money and profit from students they fail to protect fair on the students? If there are no other schools to attend in pa, then all the more reason to abolish this monopoly. I live in the smallest state in the union and we have multiple state universities to choose from.
    As a student at Penn State, I can say, without a doubt, the education that I am receiving at Penn State is excellent. The quality is there. Oh, by the way, I am an adult learner at Penn State. The professors expect their students to do the very best they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heckles View Post
    Nah, there would have been slut-shaming all over the internet, naming the girls and intimating they provoked it. That's if it even made the news at all.
    Girls as young as some of the boys who were raped? 10? How could you slut-shame a 10-year-old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anita18 View Post
    Girls as young as some of the boys who were raped? 10? How could you slut-shame a 10-year-old?
    I don't agree with heckles at all. I think there would be just as much outrage if this had been little girls. It's not like male rape victims don't face similar issues in this country.

    However, there was some pretty massive fail in the coverage of the gang rape of an 11 year old girl in texas last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berthesghost View Post
    Well, it's certainly a life lesson. Schools lose accreditation all the time and they also close down entire programs. How is any of that fair to the students? That's life.

    I can't imagine how enrollment isn't going to be damaged. Why would anyone choose to go to such a school where this is not only allowed to happen, but encouraged to happen. Who would willingly associate their name with such a school?
    A lot of students I've spoken to, who might not normally get into Penn State, have been wondering if Penn State's recent troubles might not create opportunity for them. I have been advising them that it may, and that they should apply if they like the school. When other schools have faced significant bad press/major issues in the past, the year afterwards often sees a dip in applicants, so students whose academics might not have normally gotten them in, can sometimes get in. But often, in the years that follow, things normalize re: stats again.

    In effect, I've basically been seeing more interest in Penn State this year, for this reason. We'll have to see how it all falls out re: applications and yield.
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    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater View Post
    So, it's the job of the regional accrediting agencies to possibly force students to attend a different university because the school failed to protect children from a criminal?
    force? Hystrionic much. Accredidation agencies rank a schools merits so students can decide to attend or not. If a school promotes an unsafe environment where the administration organizes a long range intentional protection of a person in power to abuse an underling, then the accredidation board should just look the other way and only advise on academics? Wow. So you really want to send your kid to schools where the ptb have carte blanch to do whatever they want, just so they wont have to bother going to one of the thousands of other schools offering similar education? Amazing.

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    Wow, that's a pretty detailed sentence of things you decided I agreed with just because I thought what you wrote was idiotic. Histrionic indeed.

    And if the school loses its accreditation, the degrees the students obtain from it would be pretty much useless. Ergo, force, unless they don't really care if they use their degree they spent 3-5+ years working on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michiruwater View Post
    Wow, that's a pretty detailed sentence of things you decided I agreed with just because I thought what you wrote was idiotic. Histrionic indeed.

    And if the school loses its accreditation, the degrees the students obtain from it would be pretty much useless. Ergo, force, unless they don't really care if they use their degree they spent 3-5+ years working on.
    I thought the use of the word "force" was kind of strange in that context. Regional accredidation agencies do their job based on facts...what students do afterwards is their own decision. If a university loses its accredidation of course students won't go there if they want a degree. But no one forces them to do anything.

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    This was part of his statement released to Penn State Radio:

    “They could take away my life, they could make me out as a monster, they could treat me as a monster, but they can’t take away my heart. In my heart, I know I did not do these alleged disgusting acts,” Sandusky said in a statement that was given to a Penn State student radio station, ComRadio, and broadcast Monday evening. Sandusky’s lead attorney has reportedly verified the authenticity of the statement to the local media.

    Sandusky provided this version of events in the statement: “A young man who was dramatic, a veteran accuser, and always sought attention, started everything. He was joined by a well-orchestrated effort of the media, investigators, the system, Penn State, psychologists, civil attorneys and other accusers. They won.”

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    What a vile, vile man.

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    “They could take away my life, they could make me out as a monster, they could treat me as a monster, but they can’t take away my heart. In my heart, I know I did not do these alleged disgusting acts,” Sandusky said in a statement that was given to a Penn State student radio station, ComRadio, and broadcast Monday evening.
    His heart wasn't the body part that got him into this mess.

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    University of Michigan has taken action regarding a six month delay in investigating a child porn matter at their university-affiliated hospital.

    http://annarbor.com/news/university-...th-delay-in-r/

    Hopefully what happened at Penn State, as awful as it was, is making other universities take steps to prevent similar happenings.

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    The person known as "Victim 1" is doing an interview tonight on 20/20 at 10:00EST on ABC.

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