voted for irena her skating never really touched me
voted for irena her skating never really touched me
If Tara is the weakest link, what does that say about her biggest rival Michelle, who placed 2nd to Tara at 97 Worlds, 97 Grand Prix, 97 Nationals, and 98 Olympics? Just asking.
I'm voting for Arakawa or Irina. Arakawa has Olympic gold, but it bothers me that she didn't attempt either of her two planned 3/3 combos. With Irina, she failed to deliver too many times, so my vote will likely go to her.
While ITA with you, I think people have been very clear thus far in their Tara hate. If one more person writes "___________ was a woman, Tara was a girl" I'll just barf. Which I guess answers your Kwan question: her famous tata spiral saves her. Apparently, skating while boobed is very important at fsu.
I think she was a gorgeous skater with wonderful skills but to say she competed as long as she did, given her skill set, she should have accomplished a lot more. She lacked competitive fire and focus and was far too sporadic with her brilliance. Her gold medal win in Torino was good but definitely one of the more lackluster performances I've seen in terms of OGM wins. Her 2004 worlds performance was 3x better IMO.
Shizuka's inconsistency and lack of dominance is why I pick her to go before Lipinski. Tara's career was over in the blink of an eye but her competitiveness and focus are what lift her slightly above Shizuka in my eyes.
Last edited by kwanatic; 06-21-2012 at 04:13 PM.
Actually the only clean competition Irina did in a World or Olympic event ever was the 2002 Worlds where she did watered down routines in 2 of the 3 rounds and safely cruised to an easy gold after Kwan stumbled in the short. 2005 Worlds she botched the short program. 1997 Worlds she had a great and courageous free skate, but only after bombing the short program. The only clean competition she did in all her Grand Prix final wins was the 1999-2000 Grand Prix final, she also skated 2 clean programs at the 1995-1996 Grand Prix final but didnt win. I dont remember all her performances at Europeans but her best ones were 1996, 2000, and 2006.
Off with Irina. Compared to the others left in the group, I find her unfinished and unpolished. I get that she's very athletic and won many competitions, but for me all the others are more complete on the presentation/artistic impression side.
Irina lost many a world championship due to her inability to skate cleanly. In 2000 and 2001 Irina had the lead over Michelle heading into the LP but couldn't skate cleanly enough to hang on. Especially in 2001: Irina followed up a clean 7-triple performance by Michelle with a flawed and messy 6-triple program in which she tried to do way too much and she ended up losing.
At the Olympics both of Irina's LPs (2002, 2006) had obvious errors as well. She definitely had a number of clean performances but under the pressure of the world/Olympic stage, she did not hold up as well as Michelle did.
Now, look at what lead up to 2000 Worlds, 2001 Worlds and 2005 Worlds and 2006 Olympics. Win after win over Michelle. There was a lot talk about the fact that from 1999-2000 GPF Irina always beat Michelle when they met, apart from 2000 and 2001 Worlds. If you don't believe that Irina skated cleanly many many times in her career just go on youtube and see those, off the top of my head:
1999-2000 GPF (both FS's)
2005 Cup of Russia
2004 Marshall's World Cup
2004 Marshall's World Skating Challenge
2005 Cup of China
2002 Worlds (both QR and FS)
That's 14 clean free skates off the top of my head. I'm sure there are some more. Kim has only two in her career. Arakawa 3 for sure (2004 Worlds QR and FS, 2006 Olympics), maybe more. Kostner has naver skated a clean long.
Lipinski and Kwan, on the other hand, have tons of clean free skates.
Agreed. I dont think she was a poor competitor. You dont win 8 World and Olympic medals and 7 European titles without being a good competitor. Just not the best one. Not a Witt, Kwan, Yamaguchi, or Lipinski level one for sure. She was favored or co favored to win Worlds or the Olympics atleast 6 times (2000, 2001, 2002 both events, 2005, 2006 Olympics) and won only 2 of those. Lipinski and Arakawa in short primes managed a World and Olympic Gold, eclipsing Irina with 2 World golds in major wins. To me that is not the best competitor of her era, or even close to it.
True on Shizuka. She never had much pressure on her. She was never a favorite to win a big title, even in 2005 as defending Champion. I dont think she ever went into an event any higher than 4th in peoples minds. That doesnt take away that she did wonderful performances to become World and Olympic Champion but you cant compare.
Witt and Kwan you can compare more easily as they had just as much pressure on them throughout their careers and came through perfectly more often. Kim sort of as well, I think she mostly suffered from bad luck of injuries or lack of motivation when it comes to her dissapointing Worlds record.
IMO, Michelle and Irina should finish 1-2 in this poll. Michelle wins this poll for me b/c of her record; no one is close to touching it. No, she didn't have the 3-3s or spins that others had but she still managed to kick ass without it which says a lot. Irina didn't have the presentation or artistic abilities of Michelle, but she did have the spins and jumps and was the only skater to really challenge Michelle (outside of the two-year rivalry Michelle had with Tara).
Michelle's weakness was Irina's strength; Irina's weakness was Michelle's strength...that's what made them so interesting to watch when they went head to head. That's why I'd vote for them to win this thing. Others feel differently I'm sure, but that's my 2 cents. I'm sure I'll reiterate my sentiments two or three rounds from now...
Mao: 2 world titles
Miki: 2 world titles
Unless Miki wins at least one more world or Oly title, and Mao never wins another one (I am assuming Yu na is retired at this point), Miki cannot have more titles than either of them.
Chances are the score will remain the same for titles.
The word artistry was replaced by presentation years ago. So it was not about artistry, but rather presentation which has a different slant. That explains why Tara and Irina got high second marks, even though Michelle was clearly the better artist than both.
Shizz and her wedgies have got to go...