Gymnastics: Who will win the WAG All Around at London 2012?

[judgejudy27]

I guess we will see. You are one of the first people I heard who actually expect Larissa to score as highly as Wieber on bars, barring a big mistake by Wieber. She would need both to be competitive with Wieber on bars, and have a good Amanar (not just a bad one like Raisman) by London to have a chance to beat a hit Wieber in the AA. She isnt going to score that much higher than a hit Wieber on beam and floor, especialy seeing Wieber come from way behind to pass Komova with way higher beam and floor scores at Worlds last year.

[bek]

I guess we will see. You are one of the first people I heard who actually expect Larissa to score as highly as Wieber on bars, barring a big mistake by Wieber. She would need both to be competitive with Wieber on bars, and have a good Amanar (not just a bad one like Raisman) by London to have a chance to beat a hit Wieber in the AA. She isnt going to score that much higher than a hit Wieber on beam and floor, especialy seeing Wieber come from way behind to pass Komova with way higher beam and floor scores at Worlds last year.

I disagree about Larissa not scoring higher than Wieber on bars and floor. Larissa's scores at Euro on those events were higher than Wieber's scores on Nationals. Wieber's beam has some built in deductions. I'm sure the Europeans are going to want a European AA champ either Komova, Mustafina, or Larissa. And Wieber's beam is begging for deduction in terms of connections. I think Wieber looks great though; but yes I think Larissa can score higher on beam especially.

[caseyedwards]

1-Wieber
2-Douglas
3-Komova

[judgejudy27]

I disagree about Larissa not scoring higher than Wieber on bars and floor. Larissa's scores at Euro on those events were higher than Wieber's scores on Nationals. Wieber's beam has some built in deductions. I'm sure the Europeans are going to want a European AA champ either Komova, Mustafina, or Larissa. And Wieber's beam is begging for deduction in terms of connections. I think Wieber looks great though; but yes I think Larissa can score higher on beam especially.

I did not say Larissa couldnt outscore Wieber on beam and floor. I just said she wouldnt by enough to overcome no Amanar and much weaker bars set. Remember Wieber is one of the best in the World on those two events as well, and came from over a point behind halfway with huge beam and floor scores to pass Komova for the AA title last year. Even if Larissa got an Amanar it wouldnt neccessarily be as good as Wieber's which is one of the best in the World and she probably still wouldnt be able to make up the major bars gap unless Wieber misses on bars.

I thought you were downplaying Larissa's chances previously saying her bars was far too weak to have any chance. I dont know what changed your mind suddenly.

[bek]

I did not say Larissa couldnt outscore Wieber on beam and floor. I just said she wouldnt by enough to overcome no Amanar and much weaker bars set. Remember Wieber is one of the best in the World on those two events as well, and came from over a point behind halfway with huge beam and floor scores to pass Komova for the AA title last year. Even if Larissa got an Amanar it wouldnt neccessarily be as good as Wieber's which is one of the best in the World and she probably still wouldnt be able to make up the major bars gap unless Wieber misses on bars.

I thought you were downplaying Larissa's chances previously saying her bars was far too weak to have any chance. I dont know what changed your mind suddenly.

I think Wieber while more consistent on bars is much worse on bars than she was last year. And if Larissa scored a 14.6 than its around what Wieber scored and really more than enough. Jordyn's not going 15 plus on bars internationally.

[judgejudy27]

I think Wieber while more consistent on bars is much worse on bars than she was last year. And if Larissa scored a 14.6 than its around what Wieber scored and really more than enough. Jordyn's not going 15 plus on bars internationally.

Did you see her bars routine last night? You dont think that would score even a 15 internationally. Even if you are right though Larisa would still need an Amanar to have a chance, as she cant be almost a full point behind after vault, as she cant rely on a huge bars scores to pull her even or back ahead like the Russians can.

[bek]

Did you see her bars routine last night? You dont think that would score even a 15 internationally. Even if you are right though Larisa would still need an Amanar to have a chance, as she cant be almost a full point behind after vault, as she cant rely on a huge bars scores to pull her even or back ahead like the Russians can.

That bars routine is labored as all get out. It hurts my eyes to watch. If Wieber is breaking 15 on bars. Komova, Mustafina deserve to go 9.5 plus execution. In a world where Nastia Grishina and yes Ross with much better execution aren't breaking much higher than 15.2s internationally with similar start values than Wieber and MUCH better execution than no Wieber should not be breaking 15s.

Bars is suppose to be about easy, swinging... Wieber's is basically watch me muscle up. If she's getting 15s on bars its because of some crazy judging/and or what I mentioning the Russian girls going 9.5 plus on bars.

[Domshabfan]

The highest E score international judges have given in a major competition for bars is not higher than 9.1. I don't expect them to go higher than that by more than .1 or .2 (very unlikely) at the Olympics. Hence, the likes of Mustafina and Komova will likely score around 9.1 and Weiber around 8.2, like she did last year. The likes of Nastia Grishina and Ross can score around 8.7 and Douglas depending on the execution can score between 8.7 to 9.1. If Gabby Douglas messes up like today her score will drop to around 8.0-8.2 level.

[judgejudy27]

That bars routine is labored as all get out. It hurts my eyes to watch. If Wieber is breaking 15 on bars. Komova, Mustafina deserve to go 9.5 plus execution. In a world where Nastia Grishina and yes Ross with much better execution aren't breaking much higher than 15.2s internationally with similar start values than Wieber and MUCH better execution than no Wieber should not be breaking 15s.

Bars is suppose to be about easy, swinging... Wieber's is basically watch me muscle up. If she's getting 15s on bars its because of some crazy judging/and or what I mentioning the Russian girls going 9.5 plus on bars.

Do you expect Larisa to have an Amanar by London though. Considering her bars is way weaker than the Russians and weaker than Jordan's (even if one disputes the degree), and Jordan has one of the best Amanars in the World, she clearly has to have an Amanar to even have a chance barring the others bombing. A good one too, not an Aly like chucked one.

[bek]

The Romanian's say she has it.

[oleada]

I hope it's Komova or Mustafina.
Mustafina winning would be an amazing comeback story. She was so awesome at 2010 Worlds.

[bek]

I hope it's Komova or Mustafina.
Mustafina winning would be an amazing comeback story. She was so awesome at 2010 Worlds.

Yeah I'm starting to have a much better feeling about Komova's chances; frankly even without the Amanar. Looking at her on beam at Russian Cup she seems to be getting more and more steady on the event. People who know about the Russian team last year said, Komova because of the ankle actually really didn't have a lot of numbers on beam; and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case at Europeans too given she was coming of another ankle surgery.. She trained it but; I would imagine beam is an event where you really need to have a lot of numbers to be consistent. In fact the head of the Russian team commented that he thinks Komova could win beam at the Olympics; which may sound about where her training is going. I really do think when Komova hits that beam routine with minimal wobbles she really is the most beautiful beam worker in the world.

I'm a bit concerned about floor with her, but I think that too is the case of not enough numbers yet... She looks like she did on floor what she did at Worlds. And I remember a couple of weeks after more times and number Komova looked MUCH better on floor. I think that's going to be the case here.

Mustafina too I think given how she's improving on floor has a great shot too. In fact I think the Russians really could go 1-2 in the AA.

[judgejudy27]

The Romanian's say she has it.

Well if she has a strong Amanar and improved bars it could be interseting. She is stronger than Wieber and much stronger than Komova or Mustafina right now on beam and floor. I dont know if Komova or Mustafina will have an Amanar by London either. Then there is headcase Douglas as well I guess, who cant even seem to beat Wieber even when she hits (eg- day 1 of both Nationals and Olympic trials), and is so inconsistent too, so she seems like a real long shot as much as I like her gymnastics.

It seems the sentiment of many is just wanting anyone but Wieber to win the AA. I dont like Wieber's gymnastics much, so part of the reason I am drilling into my mind she is a lock is to be prepared for the inevitable dissapointment when she wins in London. Then if she doesnt it will be a glorious surprise, and the further down from 1st she is all the better (even only 2nd I will be over the moon joyed though with as it means the very pleasant surprise she wasnt 1st). If the expected happes and she wins, I already got the dissapointment out of the way so it isnt even present really, it is just a neutral feeling, it is what was expected in my mind in advance. When she won the World AA last year which after seeing the whole competition I am still convinced she clearly didnt deserve to win, it reinforced in my mind she really has the judges on her side however, and by the competitions this year and her frequently IMO inflated E scores, and questionable connections being given sometimes on beam, she still does.

[jlai]

I haven't followed enough to tell who's who, but I want whoever is the most graceful to win (ala Nastia in 2008). Kinda tired of the rhythmless big tricks. I want the winner to make it look easy and graceful. Please

[avivadawn]

1. Komova
2. Mustafina
3. Weiber

That is what I believe will happen, not the way I'd want it to shake out.

[Vash01]

Gabby Douglas not even an option? She beat Jordyn at the Olympic trials and was second at the US nationals.

[Domshabfan]

Gabby Douglas not even an option? She beat Jordyn at the Olympic trials and was second at the US nationals.

Gabrielle Douglas is an option

[Loves_Shizuka]

After trials I'm even more convinced Wieber is going to win, as odd as that may sound as Douglas beat her there. I think her 2nd place finish was just the push and motivation Jordyn needed, and though I love Gabby a whole lot more, I just can't see her nailing it sufficiently in an AA Olympic final. Wieber seems to have nerves of steel.

We don't know where Komova and Mustafina are in relation, but ideally I'd love it if one of these two took gold (or Gabby) I have a sneaking suspicion that the Russians will show up with a few surprises in London.

[Cyn]

I'd like to see Wieber or Douglas win the AA, but I worry about Douglas' nerves once she gets there, plus the Beam seems to be her nemesis.

Wieber has nerves of steel, plus when she doesn't do as well as she knows she's able, she's able to harness that and come back with a vengeance.

Overall, my pick is basically anyone but Komova (ABK) .

[Karpenko]

Um, right then.

I would love to see Komova clobber the competition like she is completely capable of.

Ultimately Gabby for the moment and overall qualities, but I can't root against beautiful gymnastics, and I absolutely never ever will.