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    Ice Dance 2005

    Watched some old tapes yesterday ' although it doesn't seem that long ago from 2005 FDS and ODS

    Grushgons had some nice programmes this year .Four Seasons FD probably the FD I liked the most from them .It had nice light and shade some good Morozov choreo and had everything you ever want in a FD ES commentators said
    Their Charleston OD was great too .Their ODS were always better IMO.

    K/Novikov Watching now it was like a train wreck Very untidy sloppy and their moves in closed holds were poor .Very exciting though
    They were dressed in red/black but can't remember the music now It was all very frantic.Anyone know why they split ?

    Fraser/Lukanin unforgettable

    Dom/Shabalin FD Fifth Element .Nice programme lovely pink costumes.Very nice OD Quickstep too.

    Delshoes Absolutely beautiful FD to Frida
    Third in FD but as usual fourth overall
    Charleston OD really good.

    B/A Shadritsa FD liked it a lot one of my favs of theirs



    Denstas Nice OD but Toy Story what were they thinking ?
    They said they'd written the year off after CDS as Albena had been recovering from bronchitis and they'd lost training time
    FD Bach to Africa which for some reason wasn't popular with fans I really enjoyed it a lot

    N/K FD to Tosca

    Any more memories ?

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    N/K FD to Tosca
    Pretty much says it all.

    Delobel and Schoenfelder should have won the FD that year and been no lower than 2nd overall.

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    I think Frida was DelSchoe's best FD.

    There were also too many couples with D&S as their initials. It meant to you had to type more to explain who you were talking about.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Yeah I agree Tosca was pretty bad... Mainly because of a distinct absence of a certain article of clothing that goes around Tatiana's head...
    But I remember them saying that the original Tosca was much more artistic but had to be reworked so they could get their levels.

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    Kulikova/Novikov.. that's a team I haven't seen discussed in awhile.. I actually forgot their existence until a few months ago when I watched a video of them on youtube. They WERE pretty frantic, not anywhere near any of the best Russian teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    Kulikova/Novikov.. that's a team I haven't seen discussed in awhile.. I actually forgot their existence until a few months ago when I watched a video of them on youtube. They WERE pretty frantic, not anywhere near any of the best Russian teams.
    This is what I thought .They were so scruffy looking too
    When we talk about V/M skating beautiful edges flow etc on a scale with K/N V/M would be one end and K/N the exact opposite end
    Did they only compete that season ? They must have been third ranked after N/K and D/S .Did K/Novitski take over third the next season ?

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    I think K-N split up after 2004-2005 season. And yes, Kh-N were Russian third team at OG in Torino OG.

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    Wasn't Novikov the Russian Truckie Ice Dancer?
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Novikov was with Orlova the 2005-2006 season. It was not an improvement, skating-wise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Willy View Post
    Wasn't Novikov the Russian Truckie Ice Dancer?
    That's right

    Another thing I noticed if anyone has the tape of the ODS.In the knc with N/K after their scores it shows a woman in the audience with a little girl waving .The girl is maybe Navka's daughter Anyone know if it was ? Just the way Navka was looking at the monitor. .
    Last edited by nuge; 06-19-2012 at 11:04 AM.

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    Well I'll answer my own question
    After seeing the photos of Navka's daughter on the other thread I reckon it was her

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    I know this thread is pretty old but it kind of made me laugh. "Truckie?" Like... truck driver? Aww. Well he didn't start skating till he was like 16, so I think he did ok for himself

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    So funny reading my old post
    Wonder what K/N ovikov are doing now.?
    They were the exact opposite of beautiful graceful V/M
    Remembering Delshoe's Frida

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuge View Post
    So funny reading my old post
    Wonder what K/N ovikov are doing now.?
    As of US Nationals in January Vitaliy was coaching in Southern California somewhere. He had a junior team from LA at the competition. They also came to a couple of competitions up here in Northern California.

    No clue about Kulikova. Maybe she managed to find a non-coaching job after retirement?

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    DenStas Bach to Africa was horrible. I think it had some promise earlier, but by Worlds their execution and polish was shot to hell and a lot of the choreography was laughable to say the least.

    Navka/Kostomorov had their most boring FD ever (even more boring than Carmen) and were just going from element to element.

    Grushons were not as bad as usual, and they performed their footwork cleanly. But there was nothing interesting about their FD. It was almost as generic as Navka/Kostomorov except without the Navka's line.

    It seems like all of the teams outside DelSchoes and Belbin/Agosto had major execution problems with their elements (especially entering and/or exiting lifts and twizzles).

    After watching 2005 Worlds, it's easy to see how Belbin/Agosto shot up. They performed their dance excellently, didn't leave much room for deductions in their elements, and performed with speed and energy. Something most of the top teams were lacking. DelSchoes should have won the FD by a big margin. Frida is one of their best FDs and probably my second fave competitive routine by them (with The Piano being first).
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    I agree DelSchoes should have easily won the FD that year. To be only 3rd in the FD was a complete sham. It is too bad their CD and OD werent any good at those worlds. I disagree they deserved atleast 2nd, they only deserved 3rd as they would be too far behind N&K and B&A in the other programs anyway. They should have passed GrushGons by their FD alone though.

    This is one year Denkova & Stayviski cant blame the judging for their placements, other than maybe their most delirious fans for whom they can do no wrong. It was a shame how their skating and free dance especialy withered as the season went along. At NHK it looked impressive with room to grow.

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    Nothing is fair and square in Ice dance .If it was fair Del Shoes should have been on the very top.Their Frida was great to watch and i stop here and leave the technicality and judgment to the rest. DenSta tried to go out of the squared box and be more original with recycled program(Petukhov did something similar for DomShabs in 2003 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpTWcQyaF1w ), different music and new lifts and those "delirious fans" must,ve been very convincing like all other top figure skater's fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
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    This is one year Denkova & Stayviski cant blame the judging for their placements, other than maybe their most delirious fans for whom they can do no wrong. It was a shame how their skating and free dance especialy withered as the season went along. At NHK it looked impressive with room to grow.
    Is there a link to this performance I would like to see it earlier in the year ?

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    I thought Belbin & Agosto should have won those worlds, and usually I find them a very overrated and overmarked team. However they skated very well in all phases at those worlds, their FD was much better than Navka & Kostomarov, and their other dances were at worst slightly behind only. Delobel & Schoenfelder had the best FD, but not good enough in the other dances to win. Denkova & Stayviski sucked this year, and their placement was right, yes even behind Grushina & Goncharov. The results should have been:

    1. Belbin & Agosto (although probably not winning any individual dance)
    2. Navka & Kostomarov or Delobel & Schoenfelder
    4. Grushina & Goncharov
    5. Dubreuil & Lauzon
    6. Denkova & Stayviski

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