View Poll Results: Who is the weakest link among these past champions

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  • Grishuk & Platov

    3 1.48%
  • Krylova & Ovsiannikov

    1 0.49%
  • Anissina & Peizerat

    1 0.49%
  • Fusar-Poli & Margaglio

    99 48.77%
  • Lobacheva & Averbukh

    17 8.37%
  • Bourne & Kraatz

    20 9.85%
  • Navka & Kostomarov

    7 3.45%
  • Denkova & Staviski

    4 1.97%
  • Delobel & Schoenfelder

    5 2.46%
  • Domnina & Shabalin

    26 12.81%
  • Virtue & Moir

    13 6.40%
  • Davis & White

    7 3.45%
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    Figure Skating Champions SURVIVOR: Ice Dance Round 1

    Yes, you all knew it was coming!. Since the ladies and men games have proved to be a success I've decided to do another for the most category: ICE DANCE.

    The rules are the same. You have a pool of the last 12 champions (World or Olympics) and you vote for the one you think is the weakest overall until there's one team standing and wins it all. You can use any criteria (Competitive record, impact on the sport, better programs , etc) but let us all know why you are chosing them so we can about it .


    The contenders are:

    01. Oksana Grishuk & Evgeny Platov - RUS - 1994,1995,1996 & 1997 Worlds and 1994 & 1998 Olympic Champions.
    02. Angelica Krylova & Oleg Ovsiannikov - RUS - 1998 and 1999 World Champions.
    03. Marina Anissina & Gwendal Peizerat - FRA - 2000 World and 2002 Olympic Champions.
    04. Barbara Fusar-Poli & Maurizio Margaglio - ITA - 2001 World Champions.
    05. Irina Lobacheva & Ilia Averbukh - RUS - 2002 World Champions.
    06. Shae-Lynn Bourne & Viktor Kraatz - CAN - 2003 World Champions.
    07. Tatiana Navka & Roman Kostomarov - RUS - 2004 & 2005 World and 2006 Olympic Champions.
    08. Albena Denkova & Maxim Staviski - BUL - 2006 and 2007 World Champions.
    09. Isabelle Delobel & Olivier Schoenfelder - FRA - 2008 World Champions.
    10. Oksana Domnina & Maxim Shabalin - RUS - 2009 World Champions.
    11. Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir - CAN - 2010 & 2012 World and 2010 Olympic Champions.
    12. Meryl Davis & Charlie White - USA - 2011 World Champions.


    Vote and ejoy.

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    I think this is gonna be very interesting. There are up to at least 4-5 teams who could validly win this and I wouldn't complain so much.

    But for now, I'll go with the obvious. Barbara & Maurizio need to go first. I dont hate them as much as everyone else around here but they politicked their way to the top and hardly had any memorable performance. Overated at best.

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    This is pretty simple. Fusar-Poli & Magaglio.

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    This is so exciting.

    The first team to be eliminated will come down to Domnina/Shabalin and Fusar-poli/Margaglio. IMO both teams deserved neither the World Championship title or Olympic medals they received. However, I'm going with Domnina/Shabalin first since I like their style a bit less. I thought FP/M's 2000 programs were awesome, especially their Celtic FD, even though Anissina/Peizerat were the clear winners.

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    FP/M. The 2001-2003 world champions were the nadir of the sport. Deciding between FP/M and L/A is actually rather difficult. Went FP/M because they beat A/P when they shouldn't have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proustable View Post
    FP/M. The 2001-2003 world champions were the nadir of the sport. Deciding between FP/M and L/A is actually rather difficult. Went FP/M because they beat A/P when they shouldn't have.
    i agree, and i totally made a mistake voting for l/a. i completely had f-p/m in mind!

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    Barbara and Maurizio must go..Domnina and shabalin should be next followed by lobacheva/averbukh and then Bourne/kraatz then navka-kostomo. Multi rounds of voting done!!

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    I was never a big fan of Bourne and Kraatz. Hope that Grishuk and Platov get voted off soon though. I don't think they deserved either Olympic gold, and I think that Pasha is a bitch. (I've already put up the ESTA defenses...)

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    I'm hoping for Navka/Kostomarov to get voted off soon. I never understood why they should have the World Championship and Olympic titles they got. I didn't see anything in their skating that was superior to the teams below them.

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    Fusar-Poli & Margalio, Lobacheva & Averubhk, and Domnina & Shabalin hopefully will be ushered out fast so the real Games can begin. All weak for World Championships caliber teams. Domnina & Shabalin might have been a better one without all their injuries. I voted for the Italians as their World title was the most undeserved one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady82 View Post
    I'm hoping for Navka/Kostomarov to get voted off soon. I never understood why they should have the World Championship and Olympic titles they got. I didn't see anything in their skating that was superior to the teams below them.
    I never thought they were amazing but if they didnt deserve to win those events than who did? I would say Denkova & Stayviski for the 2004 Worlds perhaps, but as no other answer ever comes to mind for either the 2005 Worlds or 2006 Olympics I always conclude they deserved to win those titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    I was never a big fan of Bourne and Kraatz. Hope that Grishuk and Platov get voted off soon though. I don't think they deserved either Olympic gold, and I think that Pasha is a bitch. (I've already put up the ESTA defenses...)
    This game could use a healthy dose of esta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    I never thought they were amazing but if they didnt deserve to win those events than who did? I would say Denkova & Stayviski for the 2004 Worlds perhaps, but as no other answer ever comes to mind for either the 2005 Worlds or 2006 Olympics I always conclude they deserved to win those titles.
    In 2005, I thought Delobel/Schoenfelder or maybe Belbin/Agosto. Or at the very least, Delobel/Schoenfelder deserve to win the FD. In 2006, probably Delobel/Schoenfelder again, though it's a close call. I just don't understand why N/K should stand above the rest. There's nothing outstanding about them technically or artistically. I thought a lot of teams below them were at a similar level at the very least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macassar88 View Post
    I was never a big fan of Bourne and Kraatz. Hope that Grishuk and Platov get voted off soon though. I don't think they deserved either Olympic gold, and I think that Pasha is a bitch. (I've already put up the ESTA defenses...)
    Grishchuk & Platov fully deserved their 4 world championships and the 1998 OGM. Although I like Krylova-Ovssianikov a lot, their FD was not as good as G&P's Memorial. Tracy Wilson's biased commentary created a lot of negativity. G&P were the rightful winners in 98. In 94 I did not feel they deserved the OGM, but then who did? U&Z went so far away from their strengths that they opened the door for G&P. I did not feel that Torville-Dean were good enough for a gold, although they were very very good for someone returning after such a long break from competition. G&P may have won by default in 94 (but I am still disappointed with that result).

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    Fusar-Poli & Margaglio. Usually I would vote based on objective results, and I have been in the men and ladies polls, but come on, they were totally overrated and didn't deserve most of their wins. Maurizio pretty much face planted his way to an Olympic bronze.

    Could make a case for Domnina and Shabalin, since their 2010 Olympic performance wasn't that great, and neither was their 2009 Worlds performance, but he WAS injured, and at least they didn't fall.

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    Ha love it that F-P&M are losing so far. Who would have thought?
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shady82 View Post
    In 2005, I thought Delobel/Schoenfelder or maybe Belbin/Agosto. Or at the very least, Delobel/Schoenfelder deserve to win the FD. In 2006, probably Delobel/Schoenfelder again, though it's a close call. I just don't understand why N/K should stand above the rest. There's nothing outstanding about them technically or artistically. I thought a lot of teams below them were at a similar level at the very least.
    Delobel & Schoenfelder only had a great FD, and a mediocre OD, and not even very good CDs at the 2005 Worlds and 2006 Olympics. Maybe they deserved a medal but not the gold. At the 2006 Olympics Belbin & Agosto only had a great OD and struggled in the other dances, and I thought their silver was a bit of a gift. Denkova & Stayviski made mistakes at the 2006 Olympics, and their programs and skating were way off in 2005. Grushina & Goncharov were not really even a medal winning quality team and were inflated to be above D&S and D&S at both the Worlds and Olympics. Dubreuil & Lauzon were not contenders until 2006 then sadly fell out of the Olympics.

    I thought Navka & Kostomarov deserved the highest PCS most of the times. Their lines and polish were superior to any of the other teams then. They werent amazing, just the best by a bit of the good but not great and open field IMO. If you are Russian #1 in pairs or dance and none of your competitors are anything better than maybe equal with you, and none of them even look like worthy winners, you are going to win most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgejudy27 View Post
    I never thought they were amazing but if they didnt deserve to win those events than who did? I would say Denkova & Stayviski for the 2004 Worlds perhaps, but as no other answer ever comes to mind for either the 2005 Worlds or 2006 Olympics I always conclude they deserved to win those titles.
    I thought that their dances in 2004 were great and deserving of a WC. Their original dance was amazing and their pink panther was a lot of fun.

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    Finally, the fun stuff.

    Bourne & Kraatz. Good edges but terrible posture and I mostly wouldn't call what they did "dancing." They never even had good ODs and being able to interpret ballroom music is obviously a very important aspect of ice dancing. I only thought they had strong OD interpretation early in their career, like 1993 and 1994. All the hydroblading in the ODs and even sometimes the CDs was awful (A&P had their shtick with the reverse lifts, but didn't put that into the OD because it's not within the character of an OD). They were lucky to get on the podium by 1996, and 1999 was definitely a gift. They were beaten by a variety of teams throughout their career and never had a period of real dominance. In fact, they won the 2003 Worlds by their skin of their teeth, with a mistake on the twizzle on the OD (I'd have had them 3rd or 4th in that segment) and barely winning the FD 5/4 with L&A appearing to get higher scores (a few 6.0s) and possibly winning when all judges were counted (IIRC Averbukh thought L&A won 9 votes to 5 but the computer happened to select the 5 B&K judges and 4 L&A giving B&K the win). It also doesn't speak well for them that they had to completely change their style and do a parody of A&P/Russians in order to win the gold.

    I do understand why people are voting for DomShabs or FP&M before them, but I definitely don't get L&A. Just compare L&A and B&K's jives from 1998 or their flamenco/tangos from 2002 and it's clear to me L&A are the better dancers. Ilia was a better skater than Bourne or Kraatz as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash01 View Post
    Grishchuk & Platov fully deserved their 4 world championships and the 1998 OGM. Although I like Krylova-Ovssianikov a lot, their FD was not as good as G&P's Memorial. Tracy Wilson's biased commentary created a lot of negativity. G&P were the rightful winners in 98. In 94 I did not feel they deserved the OGM, but then who did? U&Z went so far away from their strengths that they opened the door for G&P. I did not feel that Torville-Dean were good enough for a gold, although they were very very good for someone returning after such a long break from competition. G&P may have won by default in 94 (but I am still disappointed with that result).
    I understand some of the world titles but I definitely think that torvill and dean should have won in 1994 and Krylova and Ovsiannikov should have won in 1998. In 1998 gp had the mistake in the Waltz. K and O should have won the OD and the FD. I wasn't impressed by gp that year or in 1994.

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