Why do we only talk about how past skaters would do under COP. Why not always talk about how present skaters would do under 6.0. How is it fair to only look one way and not the other. Especialy since nobody but avid skating fans give a rats behind about the sport in the COP era anyway.
Those are some pretty far-fetched assumptions. I think if anyone was disappointed regarding Kwan when CoP hit the World Championships (2004/2005 season) it was that she was not in her prior form which could have been due to lack of motivation, injury, or that her body was just spent after 12-13 years of international competition...or most likely a combination of all of the above. In her 2005 form, she would not have been as competitive in 6.0 either.
Over the last 8 years since CoP has been around, 4 women have won Worlds with Biellmans, and 4 have won without them.
It looks like poor Maria is toast now. Carolina is lasting alot longer in this game than I thought she would. I wonder if Maria had defended her World title in 2000 or won the bronze at the 1998 Olympics if she would have atleast outlasted Carolina. Or if she had done both those things. Or even then she would have gotten the boot before the lutzless World Champion. Now if Tara goes out before Carolina I will have to laugh.
Miki should be glad that she was out at a early round.
Thinking this putting Kwan down that would be prolonged to the last round and future's puttings Kim, Irina, Mao down.
Last edited by t.mann; 06-14-2012 at 05:46 AM.
Well Yamaguchi, Ito and Harding at their best were extraordinary skaters but that can be said for many other skaters. Asada at her best could pull off a Triple Axel and two triple-triples and score immensely well on spins and footwork/spiral. Kostner for years was capable of a seven triple program. Ando too. Kim was capable of getting +1s and +2s on all her elements which she actually did at 2008 Olympics.
Of course every single skater mentioned were also prone to huge mistakes. Harding was never known for her consistency. Yamaguchi usually always mucked up the salchow and was vulnerable on her loop. After 1989 Ito's performances became more and more prone to mistakes. Kim showed huge vulnerability at times, particularly at 2007 Worlds. Ando and Kostner were always prone to hot messes. Asada bless her has always shown vulnerability post 2005 Grand Prix Final.
All seven skaters could have held up 10 or 20 years ago and their performances will hold up in another 10 or 20 years.
I don't think this thread should have been dragged on so long, though it does show how opinions change over time. It's about time to move on to the next round.
I feel sorry for Butyrskaya and even Kostner. Butyrskaya's skating was beautiful. She probably would have been much more successful if her Federation supported her more post-Nagano. When she skated well, her skating was smooth, musical and drew people in. 1998 Olympic short, 1999 Worlds long, 2000 Worlds short, 2000 NHK etc.
Even if just counting the past 2 seasons, Kostner has already delivered more beautiful performances than Slutskaya in her whole career.
"If I agree well it's just to appease you 'cause I don't remember what were fighting for..." - Sarah McLachlan
Maria's stiff knees usually ruined the enjoyment of her programmes. There were some moves that she did exquisitely, but there was a lot of stiff leg/knee skating that ruined the overall look and smoothness. Watching the landings of jumps made me whince for her because they were so stiff in the knee. I loved her loop and salchow but wasn't a fan of the rest of her jump.
Basic skating skills alone mean Kostner is stonger than Maria for me.
About Maria, I do believe that she is vilified in North America, and I am not sure why. I like both Maria and Irina, and I appreciate their different styles. For me it's not always either or. I am sorry to see her being voted out early.