1.Carolina always had insane speed, but speed alone does not define a skater. Occasionally she landed gorgeous jumps, like 3f3t combination in the SP at 2006 Oly. However, what separates top/champion skaters is the ability to sustain the good qualities, particularly the 3 jumps. The jumps are THE riskiest elements, so they have to be valued over things like stroking, which Carolina does well.
2.Competitions don't grade skaters based on their age, but rather on their performance. So the argument that she cannot do at 25 what a 15 year old can is irrelevant. Same applies to a 15 year old competing against a 25 year old. You can't just give her high marks for artistry just because she is younger. If the older skater cannot be competitive jumpwise, she has to accept the lower score for the jumps, and they still are the biggest mark carriers.
3.Again, you are using her injuries as an excuse for not doing the difficult jumps. It's OK if a skater cannot do the jumps due to injuries, but then she deserves the lower marks based on what she can/cannot do.
4.As an older skater, I have enjoyed watching Carolina than I ever did in her career. I rarely enjoyed her skating when she was both coltish and inconsistent. The last two years I have enjoyed watching her mature as a skater, but there is no denying that she won the title this year because the rest of the field was extremely weak.
5.I don't have a problem with her winning the world title this year- a win is a win, no matter who or how anyone else skated- , but I do have a problem with the excuses being made on her behalf, and saying she is not the weakest champion in the remaining list of skaters here. I am looking at not just the world championship she won, but her overall career, which is really not much to write about (her world silver and bronze were gifts from the judges, IMO), if you take out the last two years.
1. That's just me giving credit for the qualities of her skating. I agree that maintaining a healthy arsenal of jumps is important and is a credit to the longevity of the competitor but, in this confusing time of technical regression, Carolina managed to beat the field without them.
2 & 3. Agreed, but Carolina doesn't do her damage in the TES; her PCS is what wins her competitions. Her jump content is enough to keep her within striking distance to allow her PCS to make up for her technical shortcomings.
4. ITA completely. I've gained an appreciation for her skating in the last 2 years. Prior to that I recognized her great qualities but I was too distracted by the fact she was constantly on her ass. Since Yu-Na's departure, the technical content among the senior ladies has fallen back to what is prior to Torino. Carolina has capitalized on that...
5. Understandable. I guess my criteria for judging this stupid poll are skewed at bit. My opinion is that Carolina is a stronger skater than Miki Ando but I think Miki is the better competitor which makes her a better champion, I suppose.
2004 SA SP 3Lz+3Lo
2004 NHK FS 3Lz+3Lo+2T
2004-2005 GPF FS 3F+3Lo
2005 Worlds SP 3Lz+3Lo
2005-2006 GPF SP 3Lz+3Lo
2006 SA SP and FS 3Lz+3Lo
2006 TEB SP 3Lz+3Lo
2006-2007 GPF SP 3Lz+3Lo
2007 Worlds SP and FS 3Lz+3Lo
2008 CoC SP 3Lz+3Lo
2008-2009 was certainly a weak season for Kostner.
I am glad too. Do you think there's no artistry here at all?
Kostner would never land the same jump content as Ando. She has never in her whole life skated a clean long program apart from 2003 Euros (though she may have had a mistake there too, I don't remember). And has Ando ever been clean in the FS? Yes, of course, she has, many times. Off the top of my head:
2007 Worlds, 2006 SA, 2007-2008 JPN Nats, 2010 Olympics, whole 2010-2011 season besides 2011 Worlds. Now, that's consistency. Kostner is more inconsistent than Sasha Cohen
Ando is also the only skater whose clean, fully rotated quad is recorded (all of Bonaly's and Asada's attempts were cheated). Look here, she nailed a few clean ones in practice:
less than two hours to go and Ando still leads, barely...
come on! someone vote kostner
All but one of Miki's ratified 3-3s were before they really started cracking down on URs (the 2007-2008 season).
When I watched Miki in a practice session, I was very impressed with the power of her jumps. That's nothing to sneer at.
WOW. Ando(!) edges Kostner for the vote.
Admittedly I don't care for Ando either (at least during her competitive days I didn't), so not gonna be shedding a tear over her departure that said, don't think she deserved to go so soon.
Last edited by RD; 06-09-2012 at 12:34 AM.
Ando is generally hated on this board, along with Lipinski (and Plushenko on mens side), so I am not surprised, but I am still saddened that she was voted out.
Miki won the World twice with convincing performances. I think she dominated the 2010-11 season with her almost flawless FS. (IIRC, she made only one mistake in FS thoughout the season. Incredible!)
Too bad she couldn't peak at the Olympic seasons.
Looking back the 05/06 season and before, her improvement in artistry and growth as a skater is amazing. She overcame setbacks she had to experice at both Olympics. I'm willing to call her a true champion.
I don't know she'll compete at Sochi but I'm sure she'll continue to show us great show programs in the years to come.