I vote for arakawa since no one else had, she also underrotated jumps, was pretty blah for many years and she had major wedgies when skating..
Voted for Butyrskaya on her record even though I preferred her skating to Ando and Hughes. Couldn't quite knock out Hughes yet since she won her Olympics fair and square due to others' failure to do so.
"Once you've skated together long enough, and you're really good friends, you can close your eyes, put your hand out and she's right there." Joe Dolkiewicz, 2011 US Novice Pairs Bronze Medalist
I remember that some members here used to play a judging game in which old 6.0 competitions were judges under CoP. Such game should be played using Ladies event from 2002 Olympics. The results would be totally different.
I voted for Hughes, obviously. I appreciate her beatiful choreography and artistry as well as beautiful line, posture and flexibility which she showed in her spirals. They were one of the best in the whole field. The same thing with her layback, only Sasha's was superior. Nevertheless, having magnificent spirals and layback are not enough when compared with those skaters. Sarah had too many flaws in her skating.
If Cop were around in 2002, don't you think skaters would have adjusted accordingly? I think that's the point some seem to be missing here...
I think that if CoP had suddenly been imposed unannounced at the 2002 Winter Olympics, some of Hughes' top rivals would have been treated quite harshly if the judging were fair. Michelle Kwan, for example, did a combination of a two-footed triple toe loop into a double toe loop and an underrotated triple flip (with a fall out) in her Free Skate and didn't keep her free foot up in the "classic" position in her laybacks. She might also have had some trouble with the technical panel and judges on her triple flip in the Short Program and with respect to the edges on her lutzes. I also think she would (or should) have been behind Hughes on PCS in the Free Skate.
Also, as the replay section of the CBC Video of Hughes' FS suggests, Hughes' triple-triples may not have been as severely underrotated in actuality as they are in FSU mythology.
You may have a clear idea in your mind of who that one skater is, but the judges didn't. Some judges ranked Hughes fourth, others ranked Suguri, Gusmeroli, Butyrskaya, Fontana, Robinson, Sebestyén, Malinina, and/or Meier ahead of her.
What's more, the reason why Hughes finished fourth in that segment is that seven out of the nine judges felt that she was fifth or better, not because a majority of them thought she should have been fourth. http://www.sports-reference.com/olym...t-program.html
Now, if you want to see a couple of skaters who didn't win their gold medals fair and square, point your browser here, and you'll find them.
Last edited by Vagabond; 05-30-2012 at 01:50 AM.
I wonder how the ladies competition would have been marked if there was no pairs scandal. Hughes was held up in the short program. Slutskaya didn't deserve second in the free. To me, Suguri should have been closer ot the podium than either Hughes or Cohen.
I though Cohen was treated very generously in the SP (and Butyrskaya and Suguri kind of harshly) but sometimes factored placesments could produce weird results.
Hughes LP victory was completely deserved under the rules of the time.
Even as the reigning world bronze medallist I would have Hughes clearly 7th at best after the short program behind Kwan, Cohen, Suguri, Slutskaya, Butyrskaya and Sebestyen.
Well, I like the complex program, but the jumps were just It's not just the UR but the technique too. I never believe that under-rotations did not matter under 6.0, even though jumps and underrotation penalties were not expressly quantified.Hughes LP victory was completely deserved under the rules of the time.
Anyway Slutskaya should have clearly won the short program, another strong consensus at the time. With a win in the short program she would have won overall even with Sarah`s held up short program.