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    Quote Originally Posted by care bear View Post
    The most beautiful face of socialism (c)
    Hence all the negative comments about her looks. Because of course a "commie" couldn't deserve to win based on actually being better than her competitors.
    To think that fun is simple fun, while earnest things are earnest, proves all too plain that neither one thou truthfully discernest.

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    I liked Katarina's skating in the 1984 & 1988 Olympics (sadly, we didn't really follow the rest of the sport in between the Olympic years back then), but I was bothered by her attitude as the media portrayed her in 1988. I thought the reasons for her Olympic comeback in 1994 were very thoughtful (giving her parents a chance to finally see her skate live). I did enjoy many of her pro performances in SOI, and that she and Roz Sumners ultimately became good friends. All in all, a fierce competitor with tons of charisma.

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    Not a fan of her skating. Her spread eagle with her butt sticking out drove me crazy and she never met a pointed toe. I hated her use of her arms and her upside down palms..I appreciated her much more in 94...and in recent interviews she has come across as quite charming. Her "pause for applause" or in her case "paws" also annoyed me. I loathe pauses in skating..There needs to be a five second rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by care bear View Post
    After OGM 1984, at the age of 18, she has got a new car, a nice apartment. She could travel abroad with west money..
    She once mentioned that after the 1984 OGM, she could travel in the West.
    However. her parents/family could not. I don't think they saw her skate "live" until well into her Pro career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanette View Post
    Not a fan of her skating. Her spread eagle with her butt sticking out drove me crazy and she never met a pointed toe. I hated her use of her arms and her upside down palms..I appreciated her much more in 94...and in recent interviews she has come across as quite charming. Her "pause for applause" or in her case "paws" also annoyed me. I loathe pauses in skating..There needs to be a five second rule.
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    I read her autobiography this morning. There is a lot of contrast between her world growing up and her world now.

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    Love lav lov Kati Witt... one of the truly bigger than life skaters/sport person, Glamazon of the 80s, Ultimate European Queen on ice. Killer body, mind, competitive fire, what is not to love?

    I don't think it would be fair to judge her skating according to the COP criteria but what she was able to do at her time, being resourceful and making best use of what she can at her competitive environment. Diva Kiva would eat Madonna and Lady Gaga for breakfast if compete against them, yep she's that good!!
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    Gosh, yes, the comeback. How I loved that she and onetime rival Elaine Zayak both did so well in 1994, skating well among much younger competition, doing the kind of programs they wanted to do, on their own terms.

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    I never saw much of Katerina's skating from the 80's when she won her two Olympic Gold Medals, but I always wanted to see how she skated then because I figured since she won two OGMs, she must have been pretty good. I did see her in the 94 Olympics and in tons of pro competitions and shows. I do remember a few times when she was in pro competitions, she acted annoyed or dissapointed with her marks, even though she didn't do the required triple jumps and that kind of annoyed me because if you go to the event and don't do the triples against young skaters who are doing triples, you should expect those marks and her marks were usually quite good, for the technical content she did. I always thought she seemed a little sleezy (sorry for lack of a better term). I do have a great deal of respect for her and her skating though. She also skated for a long time as a pro and appeared in tons of events and I love her for that.

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    I was reading some of the comments about ex-this and post-that and i was thinking "Wow!Really?" and i am so glad that the world of figure skating is different now and skaters are appreciated for their skating and the diva attitude and outspokenness are understood as they are.

    Little something of baby Kathy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6cNaD7yYNA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2pMN...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46vzg...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GAmw...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIw3j...eature=related (she wasn't afraid to try and stretch the rules)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUxrK...eature=related (the same routine @ 1983 Worlds)
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    Was she always the best technical skater - no. But an amazing competitor (gamesmanship and all). Wonderful presence on the ice. Total killer instinct.

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    Greatest skater ever? Far from it. Greatest competitor ever? Probably just behind (or tied with) Sonja Henie. That said, she has some wonderful programs and really knew how to reach and audience and entertain. I also preferred her more as a pro.

    I really never became a fan until she "softened" both her inherent bitchiness and "go for sexy instead of technique" aspect at the 1994 Olympics - she really skated with her heart at that Olympics and gave it all she had. I still grin remembering Scott Hamilton making the comment that because of "Tonya and Nancy All the Time" that year, "Katarina is not the center of attention and it's absolutely KILLING her!!!!"
    "Once you've skated together long enough, and you're really good friends, you can close your eyes, put your hand out and she's right there." Joe Dolkiewicz, 2011 US Novice Pairs Bronze Medalist

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    I am going to chime in and say she wasn't nearly the best skater in either quad, but she delivered when her closetest competitors did not. She had nerves of steel and was a fierce. Skating is a competition and it is about who skates the best on that day. Perhaps she was gifted some competititons but neither of her Olympic wins were undeserved, especially because of the figures element. Debi and Roz were practically handed the gold medal, but both of them went out and skated like they were scared to be on that ice. Katarina took control of the audience and captivating them. Her charisma, dramatics, and good looks certainly helped. I don't really have much to say about her skating as far as it being anything spectacular, but she had the ability to capture a moment when it counted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viennese View Post
    Gosh, yes, the comeback. How I loved that she and onetime rival Elaine Zayak both did so well in 1994, skating well among much younger competition, doing the kind of programs they wanted to do, on their own terms.
    I agree her comeback was beautiful. Her long program at the 1994 Olympics brought tears to me eyes-it was so touching. She knew she had no chance to win (even though she made it into the final group), but did it for a love of skating, the Olympics, and so her parents could see her skate. That takes courage and a very deep love of the sport. I give kudos to all those skaters who came back even though G&G were the only true successes (besides T&D who were robbed).

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    During the eighties, I thought she was so glamorous and charismatic, and the ultimate ladies' skater.

    I still think she is glamorous and charismatic. But now looking back at the 80s, Debi and Midori were so much better technically. Even Roz was better. Her iconic Carmen looks so empty, lots of shoulder rolling and diva looks; not so much difficult skating.

    I guess I think of her much like Oksana Baiul, both were extraordinarily captivating, so much so that you forget their lack of actual skating content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunnyBut View Post
    I guess I think of her much like Oksana Baiul, both were extraordinarily captivating, so much so that you forget their lack of actual skating content.
    THIS!!!!! Which makes it all the more frustrating when her competition (Roz, Debi) didn't step up to the plate. I thing her 88 Carmen goes down as one of the most technically wanting, BORING Olympic gold performances of all time. She spent so much time posing and flirting that I wanted to scream "get on with it!!!!" at the TV!
    "Once you've skated together long enough, and you're really good friends, you can close your eyes, put your hand out and she's right there." Joe Dolkiewicz, 2011 US Novice Pairs Bronze Medalist

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    I find it funny when people act like Sumners in 84 should have beaten her. Sumners beat Witt in only 1 competition ever the 81-84 quad, and that was the 83 Worlds and only due to figures. Sumners never once beat Witt in the combined free skating. Yeah if Sumners had done all her jumps she probably would have won, but she was never a stable jumper, her 84 Olympic performance was about on par for herself, if not slightly better.

    I agree Debi in 1988 was better than Witt. It was too bad she didnt skate her best at the big events.

    When people say there were alot of skaters who were better pure skaters than Witt during her career though who are those exactly. Manley and Ito from 1986 onwards I would agree. If Manley had a stronger competitive mind, Witt would have really beein in trouble. Thomas in 1988 only really, before 1988 she wasnt any better than Witt even if both were at their best. Kadavy one could argue, but her skating and jumping really lacked attack and dynamics. I cant think of anyone else really. I dont think Zayak or Sumners were really better overall skaters. Rosalynn was a pretty and polished albeit one dimensional skater but a weak jumper, athlete, and competitor, while Zayak was really weak in figures and more inconsistent in jumping by the time she developed some artistic ability. She didnt compete against Biellmann who retired in 81 (well as a 15 year old at the 81 Worlds but that is meaningless).

    I do agree her legacy is more as arguably the greatest competitor in skating history and one of its biggest ever stars, than as the greatest pure skater ever though.

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    I guess Chin in 1984 was probably a better pure skater. She had already lost her jumps by the 84-85 season though.

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    Katarina was a fierce competitor and the ultimate Diva. 1984: somehow you knew Roslynn never had a chance. 1988: the Battle of the Carmen's, talk about drama. She knew how to work the 6.0 judges for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazmeen View Post
    THIS!!!!! Which makes it all the more frustrating when her competition (Roz, Debi) didn't step up to the plate. I thing her 88 Carmen goes down as one of the most technically wanting, BORING Olympic gold performances of all time. She spent so much time posing and flirting that I wanted to scream "get on with it!!!!" at the TV!
    Well that was the big debate at the time. However if there was ever a program that you believed the character her Carmen was it (apart from Krylova). She was an actress, she had confidence, she told the story and she sold the hell out of it.
    When you are up to your arse in alligators it is difficult to remember you were only meant to be draining the swamp.

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