But, if Lindsay can do SBS jumps AND develop that polish that Amanda had, she will be in terrific shape going forward. We will see. It's not a given that it won't happen.Yes in Amanda's case jumps do matter, but they aren't everything. Pair skaters obviously achieve the majority of points from Pair elements, just ask Takahashi/Tran. Amanda was a big part of the huge TES score that the team received regardless of jumping skills. Throughout their career, Amanda and Mark seemed very consistent in their levels and also received generally high GOE scores. IMO I don't see this happening with Lindsay in 2 years.
ETA - I just watched the the 2010 Indy Challenge LP again from D/L. Lindsay isn't a slouch in the lifts (although she has a way to go to compare to Amanda) and she can jump. I think more and more the potential is there.
I'm so encouraged to see that both Mark and Amanda are finding peace with their next endeavors after ending their partnership. I look forward to seeing Mark and Lindsay at the Indy Challenge (boy is THAT competition going to be fun this year! ) and hope for only great things for them. Lindsay is a great skater and I think this team has wonderful potential too. Good luck guys and you know I'm cheering for you!
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^^ With all due respect, apatinar, why are you beating a dead horse? Do you know Mark or his wife? Have you ever skated eligibly and with notable success as a 32-year-old married father? How can you be the judge of Mark's passion and life choices? Are there strict, defined rules that everyone must follow in living their life, let alone juggling a skating career with marriage?
With his wife on board and with good prospects for continuing and great support from his coaching team, friends, peers, and family as well as from his former and current pairs partners, I say Congratulations, Mark! Keep going and best of luck to you, Lindsay, your wife and your family. You are a great competitor, a classy guy, and you possess a wonderful spirit and generosity, which makes your continued participation in this sport very much needed and welcome. Thanks for all your contributions.
ETA: Thanks as well to Amanda for how beautifully she graced the sport with Mark for so many years. Both Amanda and Mark are great role models for the sport of figure skating!
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Likewise, prior to when he broke up with Amanda there wasn’t too much talk among fans about how his training/competing at age 32 with the responsibility of a wife/child/house/dog/whatever was a questionable decision. I don’t think there’s much reason to question it now that he has decided to continue on with a new partner.
Don’t forget, Mark has been competing at the Junior and Senior pairs level for longer than most of the “hyped-up-future-savior-of-singles-skating-starlet/star” competitors have even been skating. He knows what he’s doing. He's well aware of any financial, physical, and personal implications -- better than 99-99.9+% of the users on this board.
I look forward to watching them develop as a team, and wish the best for Amanda as well!
(BTW Mark never competed at the Junior level.)
As much as we don't want to admit this to ourselves, these new partnerships now forming have a 2 year shelf life. I expect a mass exodus at the end of the 2014 Nats. I just hope that after the dust settles, there is young talent out there ready to take the helm for US Pair Skating.
Lindsay Davis/Mark Ladwig have been added to USFS' International Selection Pool, along with Caitlin Yankowskas/Joshua Reagan.
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I'm not singling out Gracie... or anyone... and I agree it's very sad that you had to assume that I was, due to the attitudes of many in this forum.
I'm just pointing out the man has been in this sport for a much longer time the majority of everyone's favorite athletes still competing. Even if some fans wouldn't have made the same decision that's fine -- but it's safe to assume he's thought very carefully about this decision from all angles. Let him skate.
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In addition (in response to carriemarie), according to Wiki, Mark, previous to forming a partnership with Amanda, competed in pairs for the University of Delaware with two other partners. He placed 5th twice at the U.S. Championships Novice level with Keri Blakinger. Apparently, when he began working with Amanda in 2002, they started out together at the senior level.
I would like to add, Rochelle, that I did not take it that you were singling out anyone in particular with your reference to "hyped" younger skaters as "future saviors." In fact, I think you bring up an important subject. There are so many skaters who don't make it to the senior level (for a variety of reasons -- sometimes they don't have a desire to continue skating, or perhaps their talent level has peaked or there are financial and personal reasons, or in the case of pairs and dance competitors, they may not be able to find another partner if they lose their original partner). And even once skaters reach seniors, there are so many obstacles to their being able to advance to the top level and compete internationally.
Gracie is one of the talented, "lucky" young skaters who has wonderful potential. She found it within herself to overcome some early challenges and to excel after a difficult first season as a Junior at the regional level. Her hard work led to the spotlight singling her out. Fortunately for Gracie, at this point at least, with a supportive team of adults around her and her own hard work, desire, and ability to manage the pressure, she may be able to continue improving (and that's the key "continue improving"). Many of those who "hype" Gracie now will be the first to "dump" on her when she inevitably goes through a rough patch or fails to meet high expectations. I'm happy for Caroline Zhang that she has found it within herself to overcome the early "hype" showered on her, and to rediscover what made her love skating, and to find the strength, toughness and courage to continue trying. I feel the same about Mao Asada. And I hope Mirai will find herself and either rediscover joy in her skating too, or gain joy in pursuing other goals, if that is what she desires.
I hope that all the currently over-analyzed young skaters who are the focus of intense scrutiny will be able to overcome that extra pressure and concentrate on developing their skating to the best of their ability (whether that means medals, Olympic participation, Olympic glory, the high of competing consistently well and achieving goals, or just the satisfaction of great effort expended).
ITA with you Rochelle, that Mark has enough experience to understand all the angles, the hard work, the sacrifices, the pitfalls and the joys of competing. Again, best of luck to Mark and Lindsay!
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I'll miss Mark & Amanda, but I'm glad he found a partner and I wish them all the best
Any summer comps planned?
ETA that the article linked at the beginning of this thread stated that "Davis and Ladwig plan to compete at the Indy Pairs Challenge Aug. 3-5..."
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@LadwigMark tweeted earlier today:
"Pair simulation @EllentonIce Friday at 1 pm. Lindsay [Davis] and I debut our short program! Come one--come all."
Re-posting from the Program Music/Choreographers thread in GSD: