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    China does have 1 men's TBA for Cup of China, but it wouldn't be beneficial for Han Yan to only have 1 GP assignment. Perhaps there's still a chance he could get 2 somehow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    China does have 1 men's TBA for Cup of China, but it wouldn't be beneficial for Han Yan to only have 1 GP assignment. Perhaps there's still a chance he could get 2 somehow?
    Han Yan didn't submit his name for GP selection, as both his SB and WR guaranteed him for 1 assignment. He would have been in the entries at least once if not twice had his name been submitted. It must have been a collective decision by he and his coach to stay on the JGP another season, likely because skaters are no longer allowed to compete at JW after having competed on the senior GP and Nan Song only qualified one man to compete at the 2013 Worlds.

    The Chinese fed probably figured they will likely send Song to Worlds and then have Han Yan go to JW again to secure maximum JGP slots for the next season. If Song has a terrible season, the Fed could still send Yan to senior Worlds if they like, as he'll compete as a senior at Nationals and there's no rule preventing him from doing JGP in the fall and then 4CC and/or senior Worlds in the spring of the same season (Ksenia Makarova, Polina Korobeynikova, and Richard Dornbush have all done this in the past).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Why are Jason and Joshua not going Senior this year? Big mistake if they want to even have a chance to make the Olympic team in less then two years.
    Perhaps they would rather prepare for the next Olympic cycle.
    It's up to them, and their coaches, to decide when they are ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Why are Jason and Joshua not going Senior this year? Big mistake if they want to even have a chance to make the Olympic team in less then two years. Especially since the US men are underwhelming at the moment. They could have shot up the US ranks with the mediocrity that the men are right now.
    Read my posts in the GP and US men threads and it should make more sense. I think the decision was made to keep options open and have a safety net of competing at JW again. None of these guys were guaranteed 2 events on the GP, each only 1, and I'm pretty sure all of them can get 2 JGP events and likely trips to the JGPF as well. China only has 1 spot for Worlds and the US only has 2, but, if these guys impress at senior Nationals, they can still go to senior Worlds if the fed choses to send them. Considering making the senior World team is a tall order in either case, it's good that these men are doing the JGP because this way they can still go to JW if they are not going to SW and help secure (hopefully) maximum JGP slots for their nations in the upcoming seasons. They would not have the option of returning to JW if they did the senior GP even if they did miss out on senior Worlds due to new rule changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shine View Post
    Disappointed to see Yan Han's name here. I should really be doing the GP. There's no competition for him in JGP and there's little he can gain but a lot he can lose by staying in JGP. I wish the Chinese Federation knew what they are doing.
    Chinese Fed is terrible about giving up-and-coming skater competition experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatesindreams View Post
    Perhaps they would rather prepare for the next Olympic cycle.
    It's up to them, and their coaches, to decide when they are ready.
    According to Josh's tweet, he wanted a GP but didn't get one

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    According to Josh's tweet, he wanted a GP but didn't get one
    There are plenty of skaters that are not in the top 24 SB or WS list that have assignments, and not even host spots, Josh is number 20 on the SB list, I believe that should have made certain he got at least 1 GP, so in theory he should have a spot not matter what, and one of the other guys should be out of luck. He can get the ISU in trouble and make them give him an assignment if he wants I think, so long as the rule didn't change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinky166 View Post
    He can get the ISU in trouble and make them give him an assignment if he wants I think, so long as the rule didn't change.
    You're kidding, right?

    Anyway, I wish he'd gotten one (and preferably two as even Dornbush got 2). He was ready to move up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    You're kidding, right?

    Anyway, I wish he'd gotten one (and preferably two as even Dornbush got 2). He was ready to move up.
    I'm not kidding. Either USFS or the ISU made a mistake. My guess is that USFS didn't submit his name for selection, otherwise he'd be on the roster. Josh can skate circles around at least 6 guys who have gotten GPs but weren't guaranteed any. And if USFS is to blame, idk wtf they were thinking. I mean, you'd would think the placements of Dornbush at 4CC and Rippon at Worlds would be a wake-up call but NOOOPEE.

    Wonder if Jason also submitted his name and was similarly shafted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinky166 View Post
    I'm not kidding. Either USFS or the ISU made a mistake.
    Or there is more about Farris's tweet than meets the eye. So how about laying off the conspiracy theories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Or there is more about Farris's tweet than meets the eye. So how about laying off the conspiracy theories.
    It seems like Josh is being protected-- There are only 2 WC spots next season, and it will be tough for him to make the team. Staying on the JGP will keep him in the hunt for another JW spot-- scores tend to be higher there, and it will set him up nicely for the Olympic season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Or there is more about Farris's tweet than meets the eye. So how about laying off the conspiracy theories.
    So maybe USFS talked to Damon and Christy and were like, look, we really need Josh to go to JW to make sure we get maximum JGP spots for next season so we're not going to submit his name for GP selection because it would prevent him from going to JW and plus we can't have him taking a spot from our favorites Rippon with the god awful 3a who placed an inspiring 13th at Worlds and Dornbush who was lackluster this whole season and ended it off with 2 tanked competitions in a row? And then Damon and Christy agreed to this and didn't tell Josh? Ugh . I so hope that didn't happen. Either way, the USFS needs to wake up and smell the roses. The international numbers don't lie. Truth is:

    Rippon (22) = Miner (21) = Farris (17) > Dornbush (20) > Mahbanoozadeh (20) = Razzano (23)

    That is the international pecking order and considering Rippon can't do better without fixing his 3a, Ross can't do better without improving his artistry and/or getting a quad, Dornbush can't do better unless he gets his consistency from last season back which is looking like a gamble as of late, so Farris is the best bet as he is way younger than these other guys and has shown steady improvement with none of the glaring issues the others have (he has a nice 3a, good artistry, and has shown consistency at big international events).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    Chinese Fed is terrible about giving up-and-coming skater competition experiences.
    And this is sad because Yan Han is clearly better than Nan Song and has a better chance of qualifying 2 guys for Sochi. Song blew his chance in Nice this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allezfred View Post
    And it's confirmed that pairs will not be allowed to compete in both junior and senior grand prixs next season on page 2.
    thank goodness

    It will be epic JGP with Miyahara vs Radionova in JGPF
    and Agafonova, Lam and Shoji still juniors ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlai View Post
    According to Josh's tweet, he wanted a GP but didn't get one
    His tweet has since been deleted.

    JGP / ISU Junior age-eligible MEN in 2012-13 (in order of ranking on the 2011-12 Season Best scores list):
    19 Han Yan CHN
    20 Joshua Farris USA
    23 Jason Brown USA
    34 He Zhang CHN
    35 Maxim Kovtun RUS
    39 Keiji Tanaka JPN
    45 Ryuju Hino JPN
    52 Mikhail Kolyada RUS
    54 June Hyoung Lee KOR
    55 Shoma Uno JPN
    58 Martin Rappe GER
    60 Nam Nguyen CAN
    62 Shotaro Omori USA
    67 Harrison Choate USA
    68 Michael Christian Martinez PHI
    69 Jay Yostanto USA
    70 Feodosiy Efremenkov RUS
    71 Luiz Manella BRA
    72 Viktor Romanenkov EST
    73 David Wang USA
    74 Vladislav Tarasenko RUS
    75 Petr Coufal CZE
    76 Sei Kawahara JPN
    79 Niko Ulanovsky GER
    (I stopped at 80)

    Expected to make JGP debut: Boyang Jin CHN, Nathan Chen USA, Lukas Kaugars USA ...

    JGP / ISU Junior age-eligible LADIES in 2012-13 (in order of ranking on the 2011-12 Season Best scores list):
    20 Satoko Miyahara JPN
    23 Risa Shoji JPN
    26 Vanessa Lam USA
    28 Samantha Cesario USA
    31 Courtney Hicks USA
    32 Anna Shershak RUS
    33 Hae-Jin Kim KOR
    34 Polina Agafanova RUS
    40 Hannah Miller USA
    43 So Youn Park KOR
    45 Ziquan Zhao CHN
    48 Miu Sato JPN
    49 Gerli Liinamae EST
    52 Katarina Kulgeyko USA
    54 Monika Simancikova SVK
    55 Anais Ventard FRA
    56 Juulia Turkkila FIN
    57 Yasmin Siraj USA
    58 Alina Fjodorova LAT
    59 Ashley Cain USA
    61 Maria Stavitskaia RUS
    64 Haruna Suzuki JPN
    67 Kako Tomotaki JPN
    71 Isadora Williams BRA
    72 Natasha Purich CAN
    73 Jordan Bauth USA (currently not in USFS' ISP)
    74 Lauren Dinh USA (currently not in USFS' ISP)
    75 Miyabi Oba JPN
    76 Yukiko Fujisawa JPN
    (I stopped at 76)

    Expected to make JGP debut: Elena Radionova RUS, possibly Leah Keiser USA, Barbie Long USA, Mariah Bell USA ... (returning US ladies include Angela Wang and Nina Jiang)
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    It's just asinine that both Jason and Josh are coming back to the JGP for another season. Both are ready for the next level considering that apart from when Jeremy is on his game none of the other Senior men are championship material at all. It's time to look to Sochi and these kids need to make their mark now on the GP not next year.

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    JGP / ISU Junior age-eligible PAIRS in 2012-13 (in order of ranking on the 2011-12 Season Best scores list):

    16 Xiaoyu Yu/Jin Yang CHN S3, JW2
    22 Vasilisa Davankova/Andrew Deputat RUS J1, JW3
    25 Haven Denney/Brandon Frazier USA J1, JW4
    30 Britney Simpson/Matthew Blackmer USA J2, JW10
    32 Margaret Purdy/Michael Marinaro CAN S6, JW5
    36 Jessica Calalang/Zack Sidhu USA J4
    37 Mei Yi Li/Bo Jiang CHN S7, JW9
    42 Lina Federova/Maxim Miroshkin RUS YOG2
    44 Tatiana Tudvaseva/Sergei Lisyev RUS J5
    48 Kamila Gainetdinova/Ivan Bich RUS J3, JW11
    49 Valeria Grechukhina/Andrey Filonov RUS
    50 Hayleigh Bell/Alistair Sylvester CAN N1, JW12
    56 Madeline Aaron/Max Settlage USA J6
    57 Magdalena Klatka/Radoslaw Chruscinski POL S1, JW13
    58 Olivia Oltmanns/Joshua Santillan USA J9
    61 Anastasia Dolidze/Vadim Ivanov RUS YOG3
    63 Julia Lavrentjeva/Jurij Rudyk UKR S1, JW14
    65 Caitlin Belt/Michael Johnson USA YOG4
    69 Elizaveta Usmantseva/Vladyslav Lysoy UKR S2, YOG5
    71 Aleksandra Malinkiewicz/Sebastian Lofek POL S2
    73 Racheal Epstein/Dmitry Epstein NED J1, JW17SP
    74 Veera Kestila/Callum Bullard AUS J1, JWPR13

    Others who may make their JGP Debut:

    Eliza Smyth/Jordan Dodds AUS N1
    Denise Ritsch/Simon Gabriel Ionian AUT
    Anjelika Ilieva/Pavel Savinov BUL JWPR15
    Krystel Desjardins/Charlie Bilodeau CAN J2
    Shalena Rau/Phelan Simpson CAN J4
    Alexandra Young/Matthew Young CAN J6
    Dylan Conway/Dustin Sherriff-Clayton CAN N2
    Marie-Laurence Bradette/Félix-Antoine Garne CAN N3
    Vanessa Bauer/Nolan Seegert GER J2SP
    Annabelle Prolß/Ruben Blommaert GER J1
    Christin Schotte/Kevin Kottek GER J3
    Amber Ferguson/Steven Addcock GBR N1
    Giulia Foresti/Leoluca Sforza ITA J1
    Alessandra Cernuschi/Filippo Ambrosini ITA J2, JW20SP
    Chiara Laffranchi/Benjamin Naggiar ITA J3
    Bianca Manacorda/Nicolò Macii ITA JWD, JW18SP
    Marcelina Lech/Jakub Tyc POL J4
    Ekaterina Kuklina/Maxim Petukhov RUS J6
    Maria Vigalova/Egor Zakroev RUS J4
    Brianna De La Mora/Taylor Wilson USA J8
    Audrey Goldberg/Joseph Dolkiewicz USA J10
    Jessica Pfund/AJ Reiss USA J5
    Christina Zaitsev/Ernie Stevens USA N4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    It's just asinine that both Jason and Josh are coming back to the JGP for another season. Both are ready for the next level considering that apart from when Jeremy is on his game none of the other Senior men are championship material at all. It's time to look to Sochi and these kids need to make their mark now on the GP not next year.
    Well if they are/were so ready for the GP, they'd have cracked top 5 at Nationals, no? Fantastic skaters as they may be, if they won Nationals medals like Miner, Rippon, and Weir have, we wouldn't even be having a debate right now. That is not to say that GP spots should go strictly by Nationals results, BUT, I'm willing to bet that many of the top 15 men could've medaled at Jr. Worlds as Farris and Brown did, had they been age eligible. US men is just logjammed with so many men at approximately the same talent level- who is to say that Farris has more potential than Messing or Aaron, who finished 8-9 spots above him at Nationals, for example...I think its best for now to let Nationals and major summer comps be the decider rather than a junior event which contains a very small sampling of US senior men. Its just such a sad situation with so many talented US men being skipped over for GP spots year after year- the story is about so much more than Brown and Farris. Take off your tunnel vision glasses for a minute and look at the whole picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haribobo View Post
    .I think its best for now to let Nationals and major summer comps be the decider rather than a junior event which contains a very small sampling of US senior men. .
    Since when has US been using summer competitions as official monitoring and qualifying event though? I thought skaters are checked to see if their programs are ready and that's about it. Gracie wasn't monitored, though her results comp after comp eventually caught the eye of someone in USFSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haribobo View Post
    Well if they are/were so ready for the GP, they'd have cracked top 5 at Nationals, no? Fantastic skaters as they may be, if they won Nationals medals like Miner, Rippon, and Weir have, we wouldn't even be having a debate right now. That is not to say that GP spots should go strictly by Nationals results, BUT, I'm willing to bet that many of the top 15 men could've medaled at Jr. Worlds as Farris and Brown did, had they been age eligible. US men is just logjammed with so many men at approximately the same talent level- who is to say that Farris has more potential than Messing or Aaron, who finished 8-9 spots above him at Nationals, for example...I think its best for now to let Nationals and major summer comps be the decider rather than a junior event which contains a very small sampling of US senior men. Its just such a sad situation with so many talented US men being skipped over for GP spots year after year- the story is about so much more than Brown and Farris. Take off your tunnel vision glasses for a minute and look at the whole picture.
    Josh's SP is what let him down at Nationals. That was the ONLY time all season long that he did not skate a good SP. Yes, Messing, Aaaron, Brown all made top 10 at Nationals while Josh was 16th, but their FS scores were all within a few points of each other (132-135 for all of them), and that was with Josh skating in the 2nd group and the others in the 3rd and 4th groups where PCS were higher (Jason got a whopping 75 for PCS for a 3 fall FS!).

    Even with the not so great FS Josh had at Nationals, if he had skated his SP like he did every other time last season, he would have been in the same pack as Messing-Aaron-Brown if not higher. Josh proved Nationals was a fluke when he went on to beat Jason by 7 points and D10 by 14 points at JW. Many guys at Nationals had the skates of their life (Dyer, Johnson, Cassar) at Nationals while others received PCS they could never dream of getting in international competition there (Rippon, Mahbanoozadeh, Razzano), while Josh got hosed in PCS.

    And further, we've established that nationals doesn't even really matter for GP selection as we see Ricky Dornbush, 13th at nationals, get 2 GP assignments and Armin Mahbanoozadeh, 4th at nationals, get 0. Josh's international results were all strong and proved he was ready for the GP as at JW he scored as high as the 2nd and 3rd place finishers at Nationals' seasons bests, without an extra element. USFS reasons for not submitting his name was likely selfish but it would be easy to make it sound like a better offer for him to do the JGP again which is probably what they did to convince his coaches it was the right decision. Anyways, he can make the most out of the situation, maybe win JGPF even, it could end up being the better decision in the end, even, but saying he's not ready for the GP is complete BS as the rosters are out and Josh is about 10x better than a handful of guys who have assignments, the scores don't lie.

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