Trayvon Martin - Thread #2

[IceAlisa]

That's interesting--the FBI should have the equipment and the expertise to determine and yet they cannot.

I would not be surprised if the defense found two or three experts insisting on the opposite.

This talks about how one of the experts seems to have a financial stake in this. The second expert admits to have never heard Martin's voice
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/mai...york-city.html

And standards set by the American Board of Recorded Evidence indicate "there must be at least 10 comparable words between two voice samples to reach a minimal decision criteria." While Zimmerman says more than that many words on his 911 call, the only one heard on the second is a cry for "help."

But that board's current chairman Gregg Stutchman -- who described Owens as a friend and well-respected in their field -- said that exact metric doesn't necessarily apply to the software Owens used.

David Faigman, a professor of law at the University of California-Hastings and an expert on the admissibility of scientific evidence, said courts and the overall scientific community have mixed opinions about the reliability of such "voiceprint" analysis.

Because one goal in the Martin case might be ruling out Zimmerman as the source of the screams, rather than precisely identifying who actually was yelling, it could lower the bar for getting such evidence into court, he said.

I think that's what they should try and see, if anyone rules out, not rules in as the source of the voice, according to this, anyway.

[IceAlisa]

Except there is no Trayvon's side, because George Zimmerman shot and killed him.

Yes, there is. It's called the State of Florida.

[soxxy]

Zimmerman ordered back to jail for misleading court on finances. Must report within 48 hours:

https://plus.google.com/106837090066...ts/brsVGvhgstw

[Dragonlady]

The CBC in Canada also reported that Zimmerman had a second passport which he did not disclose to the judge or hand over as was a condition of his bail. The reporter provided said this was the reason for revoking bail and the finances were the secondary reason.

[skatesindreams]

The CBC in Canada also reported that Zimmerman had a second passport which he did not disclose to the judge or hand over as was a condition of his bail.

Interesting.
I hadn't heard that.

[Sparks]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimm...ry?id=16476183

[Vash01]

The CBC in Canada also reported that Zimmerman had a second passport which he did not disclose to the judge or hand over as was a condition of his bail. The reporter provided said this was the reason for revoking bail and the finances were the secondary reason.

The story I read said that the second passport issue was dismissed by the judge, as it was like losing your drivers license, applying to get a new one, then finding the missing license. It makes perfect sense.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/201206...d-revoked.html

However, the reason Zim was ordered back was for lying about his finances when the bond was set. He misled the court into believing that he and his wife (a nursing student) did not have a penny.

My opinion: If Zim is lying about this, he could be (not saying he is) lying about what happened the night he killed Trayvon.

[agalisgv]

The story I read said that the second passport issue was dismissed by the judge, as it was like losing your drivers license, applying to get a new one, then finding the missing license. It makes perfect sense.

According to the story above, he requested a second passport after the shooting, claiming to have lost his previous one when in fact, he had it all along. He was recorded telling his wife he locked the second passport in a safe deposit box. That way he could surrender his passport and still have a back-up.

That shows both means and intent to flee.

[skatesindreams]

I wonder if this will cause even more donations to come in.

[Vash01]

According to the story above, he requested a second passport after the shooting, claiming to have lost his previous one when in fact, he had it all along. He was recorded telling his wife he locked the second passport in a safe deposit box. That way he could surrender his passport and still have a back-up.

That shows both means and intent to flee.

You are correct. Another story I read on CNN confirmed what you have posted. Apparently the judge was not bothered by that, although I feel he should have been.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/01/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2

He has to surrender within 48 hours. Isn't that enough time to flee?

[IceAlisa]

From the CNN link:

Prosecutors have informed federal authorities about Zimmerman's second passport in case he attempts to use it "to flee the country," Corey said.
But Lester appeared to accept the explanation from Zimmerman's lawyer that his client had given him the second passport, and the lawyer simply forgot to hand it over to authorities until Friday.

If he had means and intent to flee, why didn't he?

[MacMadame]

If he had means and intent to flee, why didn't he?

I suspect it was a back-up plan. He wanted to be able to if he had to.

I can kind of understand the motivation. But not lying actually going through with lying to the court and sneaking around.

[AliasJohnDoe]

Legal pundits were explaining that the judge can allow this information to be submitted to the court as evidence that Zimmerman is capable of lying to the court.The phone call recordings between Zimmerman and his wife, while in jail, showed they were talking in code about their finances.

[taf2002]

Can his wife be prosecuted for lying to the court?

[skatesindreams]

I heard that they were looking into that possibility.
How stupid of both of them not to realize that everything they said would be recorded and scrutinized.

[Vash01]

I heard that they were looking into that possibility.
How stupid of both of them not to realize that everything they said would be recorded and scrutinized.

They obviously believed that their code could not be cracked. What was amusing to me was their attorney acting like it was nothing, just because their code was pretty simple. The intent to deceive the court was clear, regardless of whether the code was simple or complex.

I have wondered if his wife's false testimony could be considered a perjury? IIRC in the tape they played on TV, it sounded like she answered 'Yes' to " truth, the whole truth.............etc."

[taf2002]

Maybe they can be given adjoining cells.

[duane]

Zimmerman ordered back to jail for misleading court on finances. Must report within 48 hours:

Finally, some good news!

[Coco]

This is just sad. Here's a guy who's paranoia and suspicion have become significantly destructive forces.

And the lawyer? Seriously? He's trying to argue that GZ's actions are less 'wrong' because George feels he shouldn't be on trial? O'Mara really hasn't thought that one through, because what he's saying is that GZ thinks he's above the law, that laws don't apply to him.

That attitude is why some of us suspect him of unlawfully killing Trayvon.

[Dragonlady]

Their lawyer was quoted as saying he hoped he could "explain away" these things and get Martin released again. How do you explain away lying to a judge?