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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    ITA, especially about the both dancers thing! I couldn't believe Margaglio face planted at the '02 Olympics and they still won bronze! B&K WUZROBBED!
    If by B/K you mean D/V, then I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proustable View Post
    If by B/K you mean D/V, then I agree.
    Yes !. They were the one's who should have one the Bronze (& I was a huge Fusar-Poli/Margaglio fan). B/K went SPLAT at the end of their FD too.
    Nav/Kos & Lan/Tch had the two best free dances of the evening in SLC & never got the credit for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue_idealist View Post
    I liked Navka/Kostomarov but they were a bit boring compared to Grishuk/Platov and Krylova/Ovsiannikov.. I never liked Usova/Zhulin for some reason, they weren't boring but I didn't find them pleasant somehow.. Domnina/Shabalin shouldn't even be counted as among the Russian greats. Their OD at the 2010 Olympics was an out and out farce, and they shouldn't have won the 2009 Worlds. Every time I rewatch their performance at that compared to Belbin and Agosto's, I cannot understand what the judges were thinking placing D&S ahead (well, maybe thinking about politics ).
    Belbin/Agosto had more crowd pleasing choreography at the 09' Worlds but Domnina/Shabalin played the system well. Even Robin Cousins who never liked them admitted this when they won.
    It's not their fault that the judging system worked that way. They went by-the-book.
    The three best FD's of the event were Kerr/Kerr, Davis/White & Virue/Moir IMO.
    But I think the Russians were the best in the Compulsory Dance.
    I always thought that Pechalat/Borzat had a lovely OD too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proustable View Post
    If by B/K you mean D/V, then I agree.
    I agree. I also would've put the Bulgarians ahead of both the Canadians and Italians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PashaFan View Post
    Belbin/Agosto had more crowd pleasing choreography at the 09' Worlds but Domnina/Shabalin played the system well. Even Robin Cousins who never liked them admitted this when they won.
    It's not their fault that the judging system worked that way. They went by-the-book.
    The three best FD's of the event were Kerr/Kerr, Davis/White & Virue/Moir IMO.
    But I think the Russians were the best in the Compulsory Dance.
    I always thought that Pechalat/Borzat had a lovely OD too.
    I forgot about the compulsories, I guess that did give D/S a good lead since they were always good at those. I don't think I even watched ANY compulsories that season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PashaFan View Post
    Yes !. They were the one's who should have one the Bronze (& I was a huge Fusar-Poli/Margaglio fan). B/K went SPLAT at the end of their FD too.
    Nav/Kos & Lan/Tch had the two best free dances of the evening in SLC & never got the credit for it.
    I thought Drobiazko/Vanagas skated well too but I barely remember their program now.. B/K's splat wasn't as bad as Margaglio's since it was in the ending pose, not in the middle of an element.

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    [QUOTE=Proustable;3553191]I think nuge was slighty mocking Sandra Bezic's comment in the video posted prior to his/her post.



    I was

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    AFAIR, wasn't B&K's ending pose one of the lifts that was needed, rather than just an ending pose? I vaguely recall commentary at the time mentioning it.

    I'm not sure whether that's right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PashaFan View Post
    Belbin/Agosto had more crowd pleasing choreography at the 09' Worlds but Domnina/Shabalin played the system well. Even Robin Cousins who never liked them admitted this when they won.
    It's not their fault that the judging system worked that way. They went by-the-book.
    The three best FD's of the event were Kerr/Kerr, Davis/White & Virue/Moir IMO.
    But I think the Russians were the best in the Compulsory Dance.
    I always thought that Pechalat/Borzat had a lovely OD too.
    you mean that Dom Shab won on technique? im going to rewatch this competition, but i seem to remember people complained about their FD PC. anyway, Dom Shabs' refined skills were nice to watch and made them look sophisticated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI View Post
    AFAIR, wasn't B&K's ending pose one of the lifts that was needed, rather than just an ending pose? I vaguely recall commentary at the time mentioning it.

    I'm not sure whether that's right.
    B&K both fell while performing a lift. Even without the fall, I remember the the guys from british eurosport saying that B&K FD wasn't good enough and that it looked empty in some places.
    D&V were totally robbed at the OG02. They skated a super OD and a wonderful FD and still had to go home with empty hands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaiKozOda View Post
    B&K both fell while performing a lift. Even without the fall, I remember the the guys from british eurosport saying that B&K FD wasn't good enough and that it looked empty in some places.
    D&V were totally robbed at the OG02. They skated a super OD and a wonderful FD and still had to go home with empty hands...
    I would've had Drobiazko & Vanagas in 2nd for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proustable View Post
    I think nuge was slighty mocking Sandra Bezic's comment in the video posted prior to his/her post.
    Ooops, sorry! Should have watched the video before posting.
    Bezic's comments start to bother me, as I've notice some annoying one on another occasion as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pollyanna View Post
    Not to take anything away from great champions Linichuk and Karponosov, but in 1980, a gold medal winning program looked like this. The program was a series of dissimilar dances pasted together to show mastery over all styles. (I must admit I giggled uncontrollably back in 1980 when I saw this great Soviet team segue into what passed for a hoedown dance!)

    Even Torvill & Dean's dance was very traditional. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzeqrQGye_U

    Two short years later, Torvill & Dean ignored the prevailing rules and introduced this program - not traditional dance at all, but a program with a theme and creative, unique moves that supported that theme. Mack and Mabel

    In 1983, they ignored the rules again, and armed with a great deal of research, created together with Barnum star Michael Crawford the remarkable Barnum program. There are moments in this program that they move as two interlocking pieces of machinery, the moves are so complicated. One definitely feels as if they are attending a circus when they watch this. And of course, they shock everyone with the back flip. (As a side note, some of these moves come directly from the stage musical Barnum Incredible!)

    And there was 1984's masterpiece, Bolero. They received criticism for this dance because they used not traditional dance music, but classical music with no discernable dance beat, and the rhythm of the music was pretty much the same throughout the program.

    There were other programs of course, like the 1984 paso doble OSP where Jane actually "became" a matador's cape. No one had seen ice dance like this before, and if weren't for them, we wouldn't have had Klimova and Ponomarenko's Bach program, or the Carmens of B&B and K&O, the great programs of A&P, the list goes on. And they heavily influenced the Finns R&K, who carried their creativity even further.

    It may be hard in hindsight to appreciate T&D's contributions because we are used to today's programs, but for those of us who lived that period, what they did and achieved was astonishing.
    A few more thoughts about Torvill and Dean:

    Here is their historic and masterful OSP from 1982 "Summertime" , complete.
    This was the slowest tempo then allowed; and the music was thought "impossible" to dance to at the time.
    With the wonderful explanatory comments of Alan Weeks.

    Torvill & Dean 1982 - OSP
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6hZBxPAcls

    I doubt that anything as extraordinary as this will be seen again.

    One of the great challenges imposed by the rules of the day is that dancers were only supposed to separate for very brief changes of position.

    In the British broadcast of "Bolero" from 1984 Europeans, shot from behind, you can clearly see the way that Jayne and Chris were interweaving, intertwined; and touching, throughout.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uieV3APgDI8

    A fabulous concept with great choreography, of course.
    However, it took incredible technique and skill, from two masters of the art, to bring it off.

    Bravo!
    It's still stunning; no matter how many times I've watched it.
    Last edited by skatesindreams; 04-22-2012 at 09:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martyross View Post
    it's interesting to see how Russian dance became after the greats. Navka/Kostomarov and Domnina/Shabalin look the same to me. a skating that wants to be grand, but comes off cold or even empty in its virtuosism. dont know if its the COP...i.e., less freedom. and it seems a steady decline.
    Well, I think as for N/K you can partly blame COP, as I saw them quite often in exhibitions and they were terrific there. They really had energy and personality on the ice.

    I think N/K were among those couples being in the most difficult situation that they had to switch from the 6.0 to the COP system in a very short time, though they had skated for most of their career under the 6.0 system. Basically I felt that most of the couples being in the same boat looked quite laboured these times. There were very few outstanding skates of the “old generation couples”, e.g. some of Denkova / Staviskij, but I can't remember many.

    Regarding Dominina/Shabalin I think their progress was pretty much hampered by his injury. They really looked very promising when they came on the scene with winning JW in 2003. But they seemed to decline somehow later on. It’s just sad if skaters can’t realize their potential due to injury.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaiKozOda View Post
    They skated a super OD and a wonderful FD and still had to go home with empty hands...
    Sad, but true.
    Have to add that their FD in 2000 is one of my all-time favourites (still today holding my breath when watching it):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtoCrUkXQcw

    Certainly a "good old days" couple, as they first competed at Euros and Worlds in 1992.

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    It is! Bravo!! one again to them.

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    After read all thread i can only add to this list/
    Denkova-Staviisky 2003 OD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGFbFEDI6DA
    2004 FD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQjDJLeWdI
    Lang & Tchernyshev blues FD in 2002 (Zhulin know, how blues must look like)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWr6UC-FCzI

    Chait Sakhnovsky 2001 FD (i know, she was not a good skater, but i like this FD)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCDLaDAAnoY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSWZ8...feature=relmfu

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pytv2...eature=related

    And from old times i like this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiAP0W7rWzs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg4RegpWt2M

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03MLZ...eature=related
    One of my favorite FDs ,Moiseeva/Minenkov Concerto de Aranguez.I think it was so ahead of its time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    After read all thread i can only add to this list/
    Denkova-Staviisky 2003 OD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGFbFEDI6DA
    2004 FD
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQjDJLeWdI
    Lang & Tchernyshev blues FD in 2002 (Zhulin know, how blues must look like)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWr6UC-FCzI

    Chait Sakhnovsky 2001 FD (i know, she was not a good skater, but i like this FD)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCDLaDAAnoY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSWZ8...feature=relmfu

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pytv2...eature=related

    And from old times i like this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiAP0W7rWzs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg4RegpWt2M
    i was wondering when you would have joined the thread

    re: Torvill&Dean "revolution", from what i understood looking at pollyanna's links, in the '70s ice dance was based on ballroom, like in the Linichuck video; and then, Dean brought mimicry and characterization (Barnum program), which expanded the range of themes in ice dance. Later, Torvill&Dean produced more abstract routines (Bolero), and so we could see "Aria" and "Four seasons", for example. is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zotza View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03MLZ...eature=related
    One of my favorite FDs ,Moiseeva/Minenkov Concerto de Aranguez.I think it was so ahead of its time.
    so ahead of its time indeed! very interesting. even though i'm not expert, i think this looks like modern ice dance already, with the plus of the elegant unison that made Russian pairs/dance great.
    p.s. I feel that US commentators are often ironic about "drama" when it comes to Russia. in this video, the guy said it was over-dramatic (Ganon said it about Krylova many years later) but i actually think it's unfair.

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    Speaking of Denkova/Staviyski, 2004 FD, my favourite program from them even though the video is bad quality:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJuCv07i0LA

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