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    Artur Dmitriev: the Modest, Underappreciated Hero

    Let's talk about the legend that is Artur Dmitriev Sr.

    Every Tom Dick and Harry knows about Rodnina and her 3 Olympic Gold medals with two different partners, but hardly anyone knows that Artur Dmitriev almost matched Rodnina's record with 2 Olympic Gold medals in 1992 with Natalia Mishkutenok and in 1998 with Oksana Kazakova and 1 Olympic Silver medal in 1994, which arguable should have been Gold.

    Artur has been described as the "perfect partner". Strong and passionate - on the ice he looked wild and untameable. Natalia Mishkutenok said he was "a man without flaws" and Oksana Kazakova liked having a partner like Artur with winning the lottery. He was Tamara Moskvina's favourite pupil and my favourite pairs skater.

    I love, love, love Artur and it breaks my heart that he aged so terribly. His Olympic performances with Mishkutenok in 1992 and especially in 1994 are my favourite Olympic performances by a pair ever.

    Here is the King of Ice in his prime...

    http://skating.bplaced.net/Persons/M...v_Ol_94_01.jpg

    http://www.eiskunstlauf-ecke.de/arch...enhagen_fs.jpg

    http://old.bpsd.org/ims/Tech_Ed/8th%...moves%2010.jpg
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    Oops... I can't edit the title... it was meant to be underappreciated

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    My brain replaced the 's' with an 'a' and I read it just the way you meant it.

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    If only her had done something with that hair...
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    His hair was perfect for the 1990's.

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    Oi his hair was 50% of his sexappeal. I wish his son would switch to pairs and we'd have another Artur Dmitriev but I guess the poor guy feels bad enough having his father's name as a figure skater without turning into a complete replica. It's a lot of pressure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xela M View Post
    Oi his hair was 50% of his sexappeal. I wish his son would switch to pairs and we'd have another Artur Dmitriev but I guess the poor guy feels bad enough having his father's name as a figure skater without turning into a complete replica. It's a lot of pressure
    If only he had a different first name......(sigh)- like Bukin's son. There would still be a lot of pressure, but having his father's full name must be really hard, even as a singles skater.

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    As far as I'm concerned, Dmitriev and partner did deliver three gold medal worthy Olympic free skates, but the judges weren't going to let anyone but G/G win in 1994. In Katia's book, she acknowledges that the crowd preferred M/D and made it known at the medal ceremony. I think that is partially why Sergei hoped to come back in 1998. :-(

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    Heard he had to give up chain smoking and lose 20#s to get back in shape for 1994.

    Moskvina is SOME task master

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparks View Post
    His hair was perfect for the 1990's.
    Nah, it always looked coarse, dull, and unwashed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenway2 View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, Dmitriev and partner did deliver three gold medal worthy Olympic free skates, but the judges weren't going to let anyone but G/G win in 1994. In Katia's book, she acknowledges that the crowd preferred M/D and made it known at the medal ceremony. I think that is partially why Sergei hoped to come back in 1998. :-(
    Aww I didn't know Sergei wanted to return in 1998

    I agree that M&D were undermarked and should have won in 1994. Their free programme is my favourite Olympic performance by a pair ever! It's well known that one of the judges approached Artur after the free skate and said that she had given her vote to G&G because she was sure beforehand that they deserved to win, but M&D skated better on the night. If this had happened to another pair they would have raised hell (à la S&P in 2002 ) But Artur was so gracious about their '94 "loss" and later said that the right pair won. He was just lovely.

    It still brings a tear to my eye that they skated lightsout in both the short and long programmes in '94 after all their difficulties prior to that. No one even thought they could challenge G&G, which is why the judges didn't know what to do with M&D's marks.

    Here it is again... (I never tire of rewatching it )

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2eHQ822nzc - Gordeeva & Grinkov short prgramme

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYehy9pTNOQ - Mishkutenok & Dmitriev short programme

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY7HFPSmx8M - G&G long programme

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNDqZuQVcQg - M&D long programme

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    M&D had a difficult season in 1993-1994. And it's not as if they lost the Olympic Gold to Basseur and Eisler or any other team. It was Gordeeva and Grinkov.
    And Gordeeva and Grinkov are clearly the best pair in term of skills and glide.

    Anyway, it has been mentioned by almost every commentator that Artur Dmitriev was the best pair skater of his era. That's a big achievement !!!!

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    I actually never watched the 1990 world championship, but have a look at this...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCAkTpc6xZE - G&G's free skate

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vcxm3oHBolY - M&D's free skate

    Guess who won

    M&D were always undermarked against G&G just because they were G&G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xela M View Post
    It's well known that one of the judges approached Artur after the free skate and said that she had given her vote to G&G because she was sure beforehand that they deserved to win, but M&D skated better on the night.
    What? Are you kidding me? The results burned me up because that's exactly how I felt it went down. The judges knew who deserved to win and they knew who was supposed to win and they went with the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    And Gordeeva and Grinkov are clearly the best pair in term of skills and glide.
    True but they weren't the overall best pair that night.

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    Can't help it, but think twice before you drink or smoke heavily, kids. This is what vodka does to you. http://img.championat.com/news/big/q...2108901737.jpg

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    What exactly has Dimitriev done that's heroic? I'm fine with calling him a modest and under-appreciated champion, but a hero is taking it a bit far, I think. Or is there something in his bio that I'm not aware of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xela M View Post
    Oi his hair was 50% of his sexappeal. I wish his son would switch to pairs and we'd have another Artur Dmitriev but I guess the poor guy feels bad enough having his father's name as a figure skater without turning into a complete replica. It's a lot of pressure
    His son does have his old man's features, including the hair. http://www.goldenskate.com/wp-conten.../dmitriev1.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenway2 View Post
    What? Are you kidding me? The results burned me up because that's exactly how I felt it went down. The judges knew who deserved to win and they knew who was supposed to win and they went with the latter.
    It was widely published in the Russian media and I think Artur or Tamara said it once in an interview. To be fair, one judge wouldn't have made a difference, as only 1 of the 9 judges put M&D first, but I have no doubt that more than one judge had the same feelings. Moskvina said it was all a matter of taste: "some like the priest, some like the priest's wife and some like the priest's daughter"

    Quote Originally Posted by forthewin View Post
    Can't help it, but think twice before you drink or smoke heavily, kids. This is what vodka does to you. http://img.championat.com/news/big/q...2108901737.jpg
    I know he aged so badly. Maybe if he had married Natalia Mishkutenok at the time he wouldn't have turned to drink. It's karma that she now looks better than ever. They would have made such a perfect pair! Some people who claim to know her on another forum said she never got over him and even her 2 husbands didn't live up to Artur in her books. Surely that can't be true and she wouldn't give him the time of day the way he looks now!

    Quote Originally Posted by Zemgirl View Post
    What exactly has Dimitriev done that's heroic? I'm fine with calling him a modest and under-appreciated champion, but a hero is taking it a bit far, I think. Or is there something in his bio that I'm not aware of?
    He taught Oksana Kazakova how to skate

    Quote Originally Posted by forthewin View Post
    His son does have his old man's features, including the hair. http://www.goldenskate.com/wp-conten.../dmitriev1.jpg
    His son looks very much like him, but doesn't have his confidence or presence on the ice. Wouldn't it be great if Artur Jr teamed up with Natalia Jr although I think she's too young still. Poor Artur Jr will always be in the shadow of his great father. I've heard Artur Sr speak quite unkindly of him in the media.

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    I think Scott Hamilton made a great point about the difference in quality of their elements.

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