There is also the quality of musicality that is expressed through choreography and skating skills - a quality that is learned. It's not so organic as natural musicality, but does merit positive PCS a lot of the time.
I'll add that I just rewatched Dai's 2010 World title winning La Strada. I was surprised to see how much his jumps and spins have improved since then. I thought it a great program at the time, but now it seems to be two brilliant footwork sequences set in an otherwise rather mediocre program.
Dai's come far since then. That program would not have earned him silver at this year's Worlds IMO.
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The judges judge the competition, who's judging the judges?
I definitely agree about appraise anything artistic, more literal explanation should be disclosed to the public beyond a 8.5/10... whatever that means. Problem is to develop these skills are likely to take great deal of time (maybe a life time's dedication) to learn and prove which I don't think you can find in a single judge that are equally knowledgeable about skating skills, various technicalities in skating, as well as good musicality and interpretation (except ice dancers and choreographers?), and expect more than 50 of them all have the same universal standard of excellence, and still be available to judging at world class ISU competitions all over the world.
IF and WHEN the system start to reward things for higher learning of artistic choreography, challenging and fully realized performance and programs, and start to award risks and unusual choreography based on skater's history and how far they surpass from previous, I'd bet she will come up something that will max out scores towards that direction. But for the moment, it doesn't. What is likely to work as proven in the past 2 years is a templated COP optimised format: back loaded with jumps, front loaded with time wasting spins and posing, doing something easy listening, find the easiest layout with the less risky content in order to max score for the skater in the interest of 'scoring' not the 'holistic' full realisation of the entire program and performance. What is the music concept of the program? Were the performer able to satisfactorily delivering that concept by the end of the performance?
It became a game of smarts rather than sports (everyone on a level playing field, have equal chances to win). Minimum effort maximum result as long you have momentum on the side, since the correct impressions marks tends to catch up 1 or 2 competitions later anyway. It is a nature and the weakness of human judging, the latency effect of cognitive processing and reaction and often over reaction and compensation that result a weird bio rhythm all its own. From what I can see, the current judging 'culture' are almost entirely based on what is safe, tried and tested bench marking, means it is unable to cope with measure things that are unquantifiable such as improvement in choreography from one competition to the next, upgraded content from the last, better performance than the last are all criteria that deserve greater merit as long as musicality, choreography, costume, makeup, creative themes are part of the sport that requires rhythm and interpretation.
I agree about Professional musicians and dancers still disagree like cats and dogs that is why at the highest level or art judging, you have a chair person that has the final say with a small panelist of highest quality of judging, and only those opinion counts and are accountable for their opinions. It is likely whatever conclusion they reach will be controversial, but at least the spectators will understand why instead of rioting and booing at medal ceremony, which is entirely unfair to the skaters involved.
I would be curious given so much negative reaction to Patrick's WC win this year based entirely on PCS, will his PCS drop slightly at next competition or perhaps a loud thud if he ends up having multiple falls vs a clean Dai or someone else with upgraded content?
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What the hell is a Ninja Twizzle? Does it have anything to do with hard shelled aquatic life forms that live in the sewer?
1. All 5 of Chan's components dropped compared to Worlds 2011, most probably due to the fall.
2. He really only had 1 rather disruptive mistake which affected the flow of the program, and he got right back up (as opposed to the way Asada fell on her waxel in 2008)
3. Compared to 4CCs earlier in the season, the PCS gap between Chan and Takahashi narrowed from 5.3 to 4.36.
Perhaps the judges are trained enough not to let an error at the end of the program overwhelm their impression and judgement of the entire program.
"This, after all, is opera, opera in New York, not some dainty pastime like professional hockey..." -- Chip Brown, NYT Magazine 24 Mar 13
Guess bitter pill's not working?
Isn't this supposed to be about what "Takahashi needs to do," not what Chan did/ does, or what the judges do/ did.
Whatever he does to up those scores, I hope he continues to programs and like these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAaX...feature=relmfu
Sublime. I hope he sticks with the Wilson, Carmelengo, and Miyamoto trio for choreography next season.