I still don't believe that they're coming back.
I still don't believe that they're coming back.
I'll believe in the "comeback" when I see it. However, in Evan's case, there could be a marketing reason for him to do it ... at least for next season ... since Scott Hamilton (who, I believe, still has plenty to say about who gets SOI contracts) didn't think too much of Evan's failure to come back this year, after so much talk. If Evan does return, I think he will make it to the Worlds team (because he keeps his head in competition) but won't medal.
Evan? Yes. He's a fierce mental competitor who knows how to maximize points.
Weir? No. Nobody doubts he has the edges and ability, but those watered down programs and no quad won't help him.
In my spare time, I like to interview figure skating legends.
It is also hilarious there will surely be Evan fans who like to say I said things like that before when in fact I am the one who started a thread 3 months before Vancouver declaring he would win the Olympics for sure. I would be more than happy to linke to that very thread if anyone doubts this as well. The state of mens skating at the time with all the injuries, headcases, guys struggling to return from injuries, and other problems was so dire, and he was receiving such inflated World Champion and Caroll politiking boosted scores, it was inevitable. That was then though, all but an eternity ago when you look at the field and what the men are doing now. He is wise to stay on Star on Ice and come nowhere near the likes of Chan and a revived Takahashi again, other than an ice cream stand.
Please do because I sure don't remember seeing it. All I remember is you saying circa fall of 2008 that Evan was all washed up and would never ever win anything major again. But he got out of his rut and won the two most important skating titles.It is also hilarious there will surely be Evan fans who like to say I said things like that before when in fact I am the one who started a thread 3 months before Vancouver declaring he would win the Olympics for sure. I would be more than happy to linke to that very thread if anyone doubts this as well.
Now I'm not saying Evan would beat Chan; I think it rather unlikely. But Evan's mental focus and determination (assuming his body holds up) does give him a chance to make some noise at the World level. A team of Evan and Jeremy next season *might* get three spots back in time for the Olympics, and if that happened I sure wouldn't complain!
Fallback: If Evan doesn't come back, can he please donate his mental game to Jeremy? Pretty please?
As for Chan I am happy for Chan pushing the boundaries of the sport in general, I am not happy with the over the top scores he receives which give the impression no matter what he does and what his competitors (by that I mean other tremendous quality skaters like Takahashi, not just good skaters like Evan) do they couldnt beat him. Regardless of the overall result he certainly did not deserve to beat Takahashi in the LP portion of either the GP final or Worlds, something all but the most devoted Chan fans (which includes the judges these days as well) seem to concur on. That is another topic though.
Well yes I agree a team of Evan and Jeremy could possibly get 3 spots back. If Evan comes back in his 2009/2010 form he could get a finish around 5th or so, and if Jeremy has a good but not great sort of competition (eg- 2010 Worlds) he could also finish around 5th or so. That really has little to do with the thread title about Even and Johnny already being the top 2 and Evan and Johnny being capable of being at the top at the World level today.A team of Evan and Jeremy next season *might* get three spots back in time for the Olympics, and if that happened I sure wouldn't complain!
As for my thread all but ensuring Evan would win the Olympic Gold, check in my threads created section, you should see it in December 2009/January 2010 sometime as I am sure it was right after the GP final I made it. I forgot you need to be a payed member to perform that action. As for Evan being washed up in late 2008, 95% of the posters here thought that too, but the field was so weak and inconsistent in 2009/2010 then it was easy for anyone to make a comeback, just as Czisny capatilized on the all time low U.S womens field to make a couple comebacks which would have never happened in the Kwan or Cohen era.
I'm interested to see what either can do. I don't have very high expectations, but who knows.
While I prefer Johnny over Evan, I think Evan has better chance at a successful comeback (if he actually comes back). Johnny wasn't top 2 US men when he left. I don't think he can expect to be coming back.
As for your bold OGM prediction, you offered to provide a link, and then when I request it, you tell me to go find it myself? Okay, then.
Not really. I dont think Joubert is back in the thick of things. I dont consider Amodio in the thick of things right now.And to me a top five Worlds finish means you are in the thick of things at the World level.
Of course the field in 2010 was much weaker (although the 2010 Worlds was a stronger competition than the 2010 Olympics even with the absences). However Jeremy was purposely well undermarked and held down by the judges at the 2010 Worlds as punishment for his meltdown at the Olympics. Considering the PCS he was getting even for flawed performances this year yes he could be 5thish with the same type of performance he had at the 2010 Worlds. His performances at the 2010 Worlds itself probably would have come 2nd at the 2010 Worlds if he were not clearly out of favor at that point.Btw, I don't think Jeremy's 2010 Worlds performances would garner a top five finish next year; he only finished fifth that year b/c it was a depleted field -- no Evan, no Plush, no Lambiel, etc.
I forgot you had to be a payed member to search an individuals threads (including your own). You are a payed member and I stated the time I made the thread so it should be incredibly easy for you to find it in less than a minute. Is that so complicated.As for your bold OGM prediction, you offered to provide a link, and then when I request it, you tell me to go find it myself? Okay, then.
Where in this thread did you declare that Evan "would win the Olympics for sure"? No such bold declaration is on the first page, and I'm not wading through 11 pages of "oh hell no, Evan better not win!"
As for the comebacks, it's too soon to tell, and all this speculation is pointless.
Going to be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Lysacek might be #1 or #2, but I don't know about Weir. I saw a show performance from him on youtube a few months back and he seemed out of shape. I don't think he's known as the most DISCIPLINED athlete either, he seems to enjoy more running around to fashion shows and stuff especially now, although Lysacek IS known as a disciplined athlete so I think he has a better chance of being in good form.
I think the bottom line is (As we all know) it is a pre - Olympic year next season. The US had a fairly dismal showing in the men's event at Worlds this year and I am sure are getting panicky.
I believe that if Evan is not able to win or even medal in an event, he is certainly able to crack top 5. Johnny....the jury's still out on that one...I think 2013 World team needs to be Evan in combination with a reliable competitor (like end of season Ross Miner)
I do hope both guys return this season, they both have an amazing presence and would bring a certain cache back to the event...I agree it will be very interesting to see this play out!