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    What is the secrect to landing on your Toe-Pick?

    Say,I was wondering about this. Since Skaters need to always land on their Toe-Picks,and NOT their Flats...or they'll fall. Because looking DOWN can also make you fall. How do Skaters know if they have their Toe-Pick presisioned right on a jump to touch the ice?

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    Point your toes while you jump.

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    How do you know without being able to see your toes that they are pointed were you need them?

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    You can feel your feet. If they are pointed, they are where they need to be.

    It's like how you know if you are holding your hand in a fist, or holding your fingers out, even without looking. You know what your body is doing. Feet are flexed or pointed. If they are pointed, they are pointed.

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    The best way to learn it (to point toes) is to take ballet lessons.

    You can do it on your own if you have a big/tall mirror where you can see your legs. Looking at the mirror point your toes and try to feel the muscles. Repeat it a few times. Then try to point your toes without watching, use the muscle feel only, and then check in the mirror if you toes are pointed correctly.
    If you get it the next step is to jump up, point the toes and again check in the mirror if you toes are pointed.

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    shouldn't you be landing on your outside edge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-FAN View Post
    shouldn't you be landing on your outside edge?
    The toe hits the ice first and you roll down on to the outside edge. Otherwise you get a loud thunk sound, and a bad landing edge, because you landed flat, and flipped to the edge. Watch some spi mo, and you'll see how elite skaters land on the toe pick first
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    The toe hits the ice first and you roll down on to the outside edge. Otherwise you get a loud think sound, and a bad landing edge, because you landed flat, and flipped to the edge. Watch some spi mo, and you'll see how elite skaters land on the toe pick first
    Cool! So why do skaters who land on their toes usually slow way down and have a non-smooth landing edge?

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    Hmm... I have never thought about this topic before. Landing with the toe pick touching down is just the way a person comes down - who really has to think about it? The issue is more with leaning forward so there is too much toe pick and a scratchy landing... don't do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treesprite View Post
    Landing with the toe pick touching down is just the way a person comes down - who really has to think about it?
    I do! Well, only on my loop. I have a baby loop, so there isn't enough height to get really good toe point. If I don't concentrate really hard on pointing my toe, I go THUNK and land on the back of my blade. Then, because I landed so flat, there is no landing edge, I just come to a stand still.

    Not to mention, if it is underrotated, landing on the flat, means you are stuck (and likely to fall), landing on the toe pick, you can get that last bit of rotation by pulling around when you roll to the edge. It is much safer. As a previous coach liked to say 'you can't skate sideways'.

    In early ballet there is a lot of focus on jumping up by first lifting the heel and rolling through the toes and landing on the toe and rolling down to the heel- so it is a skill that is taught in dance. A lot of younger dancers jump up and down flat footed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-FAN View Post
    Cool! So why do skaters who land on their toes usually slow way down and have a non-smooth landing edge?
    They all land on their toes.

    As treesprite said, it is about their body being pitched too far forward, so rather than rolling off the toepick onto the outside edge, they land on the toepick and drag it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR-FAN View Post
    Cool! So why do skaters who land on their toes usually slow way down and have a non-smooth landing edge?
    In this case, I think I know what you mean. When you're landing a jump, you want to land on the bottom half on the toepick, in which case rolling down onto the outside edge is an easy and natural motion.

    But sometimes, a skater will land a jump on their whole toepick, which is what causes the slow exit and non-smooth edge.

    (I'm not very good at explaining these things!)


    To answer your question: when I was learning my salchow, I'm sure everyone in the rink got sick of hearing my coach shout, "Point your toe! Point your toe!" while I was in midair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    You can feel your feet. If they are pointed, they are where they need to be.

    It's like how you know if you are holding your hand in a fist, or holding your fingers out, even without looking. You know what your body is doing. Feet are flexed or pointed. If they are pointed, they are pointed.
    What if you have the worse sence of feel? BTW. was I right at saying Skaters land on their Toepuicks for a jump?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSWer View Post
    What if you have the worse sence of feel? BTW. was I right at saying Skaters land on their Toepuicks for a jump?
    Yes, you were right- but it is important to remember they don't STAY on their toe picks for very long. It is just the toe pick is the first thing to touch down.


    If you have a bad sense of feel, you need to practice thinking about it. There is something called 'proprioception' and it is one of the senses (if you get more advanced than the sense of sight, taste, touch, smell, and hearing). This is the ability to know your own body movement without seeing. An athlete generally has better proprioception than the general population.

    For example- I know my toe is pointed because I can feel my ankle pointing my foot. However, my proprioception isn't good enough that I can tell where my leg is in my attitude spin (layback position- but I don't layback yet). I'll think it is perfect, and my coach will yell at me. Because I can't see it, I can't tell where it is. This seems to be the problem you may have with knowing whether your feet are pointed. Someone suggested practicing in a mirror- that way you can get used to what it feels like when it looks right, and then eventually you will know the feel without having to look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    Yes, you were right- but it is important to remember they don't STAY on their toe picks for very long. It is just the toe pick is the first thing to touch down.


    If you have a bad sense of feel, you need to practice thinking about it. There is something called 'proprioception' and it is one of the senses (if you get more advanced than the sense of sight, taste, touch, smell, and hearing). This is the ability to know your own body movement without seeing. An athlete generally has better proprioception than the general population.

    For example- I know my toe is pointed because I can feel my ankle pointing my foot. However, my proprioception isn't good enough that I can tell where my leg is in my attitude spin (layback position- but I don't layback yet). I'll think it is perfect, and my coach will yell at me. Because I can't see it, I can't tell where it is. This seems to be the problem you may have with knowing whether your feet are pointed. Someone suggested practicing in a mirror- that way you can get used to what it feels like when it looks right, and then eventually you will know the feel without having to look.
    So basicly our Proprioception is our since of feel for our bodies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSWer View Post
    So basicly our Proprioception is our since of feel for our bodies?
    Yes. But feel for your body is a good way to say it. It is a different thing than what touch feels like, so the word feel can be confusing.

    A really good example is this: if you close your eyes, can you touch your nose? Proprioception is the way you know where you nose was, even though you can't see it. There are some people with impaired proprioception (either naturally due to a disorder, or an induced state, such as being drunk) who will be unable to do this.

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    No all skaters point their toes in the air. See pictures or just do search images in google.

    http://figureskating.about.com/od/ol...ympicmoves.htm
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...63_judd27.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfahrut View Post
    No all skaters point their toes in the air. See pictures or just do search images in google.
    Even if they don't have dancer-esque toe point, they are going to HAVE to point their toe at least a small amount on the landing. Having them pointed while rotating doesn't do anything for the landing, it just makes for a prettier jump- that is not when toe point is essential

    It is not SAFE to land jumps on the back of the blade. As someone else said, you land on the bottom part of the toe pick, but still the toe pick.

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    Over the past few years, the in-air position has changed from a toe-pointed to a flexed foot, the reason being that it uses different muscles and allows for a much stronger, tighter crossed position over the landing side. It also helps stop "wrapping" of the crossed leg/ankle. However, Skittl's correct in that the skater does indeed point the toe right before landing. After the toepick touches, the skater "rolls down" from the toepick to the landing edge, while bending the knee to absorb the impact.

    Weak landings are usually caused by the skater not being over that landing foot properly. If a skater is tilted too far to the landing side, the landing leg can fold underneath them and they fall to the side. Leaning away from the landing side results in belly-whoppers and sprawls.

    Being too far forward over the blade prevent the toepick-to-edge landing. The toepick digs in and slows the skater too abruptly, so they fall to their knees or hop to save the landing. Sometimes, they overcompensate and lean backward to try and save the jump, resulting in an expected seat on the ice because they roll off the blade tail.

    Trevor Laak explains "Skating Jump Secrets" very well with videos:
    http://skatingjumpsecrets.com/
    Last edited by FigureSpins; 03-30-2012 at 01:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    In this case, I think I know what you mean. When you're landing a jump, you want to land on the bottom half on the toepick, in which case rolling down onto the outside edge is an easy and natural motion.

    But sometimes, a skater will land a jump on their whole toepick, which is what causes the slow exit and non-smooth edge.

    (I'm not very good at explaining these things!)
    You are! Thanks

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