what does "Toughest Six Inches" mean?
Chan does not come with a kitten seal of approval. Thus, Chan < Takahashi.
I think often times successful skaters will be the target of more attention, including negative attention. In recent years, we've seen that happen with Plushenko, Lysacek and Joubert - and that's just in the men's!
Chan has given multiple foot-in-mouth interviews and statements during his career, and has justly been called out for some of his comments over the years. In this case, it's hardly his fault that some overexcited journalist decided to present him as SuperChan the Savior of Skating, but making fun of a silly article is not the same as disliking a skater, and it's certainly not hate. Bad writing should be ridiculed.
You should never write words with numbers. Unless you're seven. Or your name is Prince. - "Weird Al" Yankovic, "Word Crimes"
ETA: And IMO, I would say Rachel Flatt incurred far more wrath from folk than Chan ever has. And Flatt didn't even trash-talk anyone
Last edited by agalisgv; 03-25-2012 at 09:26 PM.
Are you taking another break from PC uber thread? Where, btw, I see that you were somewhat reprimanded for gratuitously casting aspersions onto Jeremy Abbott simply because he responded to press queries asking him how he thinks he “stacks up” against Patrick Chan. Jeremy responded in a very reasonable and respectable fashion, and with self-confidence. How would you have preferred Jeremy to respond?
Gosh, jeez … even Patrick himself (despite his humongous and exponentially growing SS) is aware that there are other men skaters on the planet and in the same league who have skills, who have been and are working just as hard as he is – even tho’ Patrick is the only one with the outsize SS that have overtaken the judges and are threatening to devour the entire sport. Cue up the iconic theme to JAWS... ITs ALIVE!!!
If you feel this is hating on Patrick, nah it isn't -- just having a bit of fun jabbing at his SS, which believe me can take care of ITself. I’ve been turned off by some things Patrick has said, and then charmed when I’ve seen him speak person-to-person in a down-to-earth casual way. Putting jabs aside for a bit, obviously PC has great SS and wonderful abilities. I don’t think he’s the best at musical interpretation and artistry, but neither is he the worst.
Unfortunately, for whatever reason and due to no fault of Patrick’s own, his SS and his mastery of the quad have been allowed to become the sine qua non of the sport. If everybody feels there’s nothing wrong with that and it’s just fine and dandy, I doubt there would be such a need for all the over-hyping of Patrick, the oversensitivity to criticism of his high scores when he doesn’t skate well, the holding him up on PCS, the over-protectiveness, the ham-handed declarations of how artistic he is. Allow him to breathe, take off the training wheels and let Patrick steer himself. Allow him to develop as a human being and as a complete skater. Let it be a competition, not an automatic 20-pt spread b/c of his SS. (just b/c ITs ALIVE, why must IT continually be fed?)
Let the "mid-Olympiad" run-up to the games begin.
Last edited by aftershocks; 03-25-2012 at 09:27 PM.
Seems to me the major issue is his scores. Some of his comments receive plenty of criticism to, but the comments are usually related to the scores. If he weren't seen to be the judges' favourite, the comments wouldn't generate such vitriol.While I think some of Chan's comments over the years have been......unfortunate , at this point I think the biggest issue some have is with Chan's supporters--not Chan himself.
But yes, I do think a fair number of posters think Chan's scores are generally inflated. I think a smaller subset of posters think that's because he was scored unfairly, as opposed to simply how COP works currently. And I think an even smaller subset of posters who think Chan is overmarked think he didn't in the end earn his overall placement.
So most of the discussions that I recall tend to be on whether COP is properly structured at this point to result in the scores they do, and whether judges are judging based on reputation rather than the performance before them. I don't hear a lot about Chan himself, though. Except when Chan gives an unfortunate interview .
And to be fair, many of the same judging criticisms emerged with Slutskaya and Plushenko. I just don't see how Chan is anywhere near one of the most disliked skaters---as I said in my previous post, Rachel Flatt anyone?
Much of the criticism of Chan's scoring reminds me of how people would react to Carolina Kostner's scores when she went for messy-but-difficult; there are still complaints about her 2008 Worlds silver. Now that she's simplified things but skates clean, it's shifted to her lack of a 3Lz.
I can't help thinking if some skater came around with better skating skills than Patrick (could happen Chan fans) and said skater started winning with 4 falls, a program over a much cleaner Patrick, that a lot of Patrick's fans would be crying foul. I'm imagining now the Canadian press...
At the end of the day my issue is if all that matters is skating skills, why have things like jumps and spins? Let them all skate around the ice, do moves in the field etc and be done with it.
My other problems the judges are hardly consistent when it comes to PCS. Kozuka, who has fabulous basic skating of his own, is not getting anywhere NEAR those kind of PCS, and others like Daisuke not getting credit for things he does better interpretation/performance.
I actually do think in the end if the elements are close the best skater should really win. But I find the concept of someone winning with four falls in a competition (and people saying someone did more ROTATIONS as justification.. Why even have a competition then?
This is suppose to be a sport and delivering on the ice should matter. IMO. It bothers me that this system they have created says it doesn't. And thats why Chan fans are saying, right? The system says how clean you skate doesn't matter.
I will say that I have a problem with any uber that is so much of an uber that they care more about their skater than this sport in general. I was totally a huge fan of Yu-na Kim, but that didn't mean I thought she deserved to win the Free at 2010 Worlds over Asada, sure Asada had technical issues of her own but Asada's PCS should have been much higher.
This type of thing, when clearly visible MULTIPLE glaring errors aren't causing scores to go down big time is going to destroy the sport.
Especially since when top skaters get such high PCS it means lesser known skaters have very little shot even when they out skate the top skaters. I have a feeling things will change though.
At the end of the day though I do agree that Skating Skills of all the PCS should be the most important thing, and if things are equal, close to it, then yes Chan should come out on top...But when he's falling multiple times-no.
Last edited by bek; 03-25-2012 at 10:13 PM.
Chan is way overhyped and his skating does not live up to the hype.
What I find happens is that Chan gets such overinflated marks in the SP that no one can catch up.
We may as well just give him the gold now so all the other skaters can just fight for silver and bronze.
I would really love a surprise win at worlds, a win no one could have predicted, a come from behind shocker. But, yawn, Chan will win, again.
Last edited by jettasian; 03-26-2012 at 12:04 AM.
It's called being humble. Or course he will acknowledge that there are other great skaters out there.Gosh, jeez … even Patrick himself (despite his humongous and exponentially growing SS) is aware that there are other men skaters on the planet and in the same league who have skills, who have been and are working just as hard as he is – even tho’ Patrick is the only one with the outsize SS that have overtaken the judges and are threatening to devour the entire sport. Cue up the iconic theme to JAWS... ITs ALIVE!!!
Give me a break, Abbott and Dai got held up in PCS MORE than Chan had. Artistry is subjective, just because you don't think he had, that doesn't mean he didn't have. And PCS make up of FIVE different components, and he can easily have the edge over the other skaters.I doubt there would be such a need for all the over-hyping of Patrick, the oversensitivity to criticism of his high scores when he doesn’t skate well, the holding him up on PCS, the over-protectiveness, the ham-handed declarations of how artistic he is. Allow him to breathe, take off the training wheels and let Patrick steer himself. Allow him to develop as a human being and as a complete skater. Let it be a competition, not an automatic 20-pt spread b/c of his SS.
Only the people who like to ignore the actual skate, the actual break down point by point and like to make general assumption whenever THEIR fave skater couldn't win. The judges must be crazy blah blah blah
I'm glad the judges KNOW what they are watching.Great that Chan is "quite humble." His SS are not. Neither are the judges in their assessment. And neither is Milton in the throes of his "six inches" Chanorgasm.