CoP would not have been kind to Surya Bonaly at the 1998 Olympics.
She was short of rotation on one of her spins in the SP. In the FS, she underrotated her triple flip and triple loop, fell on her 3T-half loop-3S combo (and may have underrotated the salchow), two-footed a few of her jumps (requiring negative GOE), turned her 3T+2R into a 3T+1R, did an illegal element, and telegraphed several of her jumps (requiring a reduction in GOE). And she would not have done very well on PCS.
That said, neither Bonaly nor her rivals skated with CoP in mind. If CoP had been around when she first took up competitive figure skating, she might have been an entirely different skater. Given her physical strength, I think she would have at the very least been more consistent in fully rotating her jumps and would have been less prone to telegraphing. She probably would have worked more on improving her skating skills, as she did to some degree after she turned professional.
I'm not sure who would have prevailed, but I tend to think all of Tara and Michelle's jumps, including Tara's triple-triple combos and sequences, would have been ratified. I think the calling is less strict at the Olympics, probably to appease the once-every-four-years crowd. The callers were pretty generous at the last Olympics - so long as the skaters (especially the top-level skaters) landed the jumps on one foot and rotation was close, they mostly got the benefit of the doubt (thinking especially of Evan and Mao's 3As here). There were some exceptions (Rachael, Daisuke) but Michelle and Tara were the two most recent World Champions going into Nagano and the frontrunners for gold; I bet they would have been spared.
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Lu Chen would have never medaled under COP. Her TES would have been very low in both programs, even though everyone was thrilled under 6.0 to see her mostly stand up all the jumps after a couple of years of disaester, and actually attempt and land more triples than Maria or Irina in the LP which under 6.0 made her appear atleast competent technically, but under COP the poorly executed jumps, the URs which would have been downgraded, and the poor spins, would have killed her.
On the rest of the TES, and Skating Skills, I think Slutskaya had the advantage.
So then the question is whether that point or two of GOE plus the rest of the PCS would be enough keep Chen ahead in the short.
While even Chen's landed jumps were weak by Nagano (in comparision to the other top skaters) none of her jumps was underotated enough in her short to be downgraded. Plus her PCS in the short would definitely be higher than Slutskaya. So while Irina would probably score higher on almost all the other elements Chen would still beat her in the short. Bonaly would beat Slutskaya in the short under COP, the combination difference alone would have already been enough. Under COP I think Bonaly also beats Chen in the short. I did not see all the others but I heard Malinina skated clean, and did a triple lutz and triple flip, so probably her too.
Chen would likely have come out ahead in overall PCS though. If the judges judged by the criteria, Slutskaya really should come out ahead on SS, TR and PE (but obviously trailing in CH and IN).
I could see Slutskaya and Chen quite neck and neck after the short, but significantly behind Kwan, Butyrskaya and Lipinski.
I would probably have given the final spot of the final group to Liashenko. -3 on a lip, but otherwise everything was great and the program was complex and beautifully skated.
COP or Ordinals, it doesn't matter. They are both flawed judging systems. I think the flaws in COP would probably benefit MK more than Tara. By today's standards, Tara's skating is completely obsolete (small jumps, edge issues, URs, no flexibility).
tara jumps was very low-basically just got off the ground.
however through the update versions of youtube on internet -they look better than what they really was.
tara only did 5 jumps 1 jumping pass loop-loop=ratified-which shouldn't have been, edge call on lutz. other than than okay job. as far as artistry skills-was doable.
michelle had 7 jumps 2 -triple lutz-toe, flip-toe, not 8 jumps her artistry, change of edge on jumps, spirals and change spin directions might added points -who knows,
irina in 98 had no artistry-her spins wasn't centered-all over the ice,
so today back than can't compare.
all skaters didn't plan programs for cop-they plan for 6.0's
who knows what would have happened. skated like 6.0's in other words you fall, screw up big time you don't medal- unlike today-screw up big time you can still win and medal.
different rules, different game plan.
Tara actually did a catchfoot camel, something I don't recall seeing from Michelle in a competitive program, so it's a toss up as to who was more flexible.
It would have been fascinating to see what MK, Frank & Lori came up with if COP had been in place in the nineties.
Under 6.0, it seemed that a good 3z was the glass ceiling. If you had one, you were taken seriously. But under COP, it seems to be skating skills, especially speed.
Ice coverage was one area that Tara really took it to Michelle in Nagano, so it would be interesting to see the marks if COP had been in effect.
Keeper of Nathalie Pechelat's bitchface.
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