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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdycool View Post
    I'd be interested to see what the 1900 census says... this particular census year lists the month and year of birth for every individual. This is the only census so far that gives that much information about age, and it's super helpful, because as it's been noted, just giving an age leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Wish the other censuses had those columns.
    April 1840 is what the 1900 census says. Which jives with the age given in the 1910 census assuming that the birth month is correct (which implies he was born in the last half of 1840, since the "as of" for the 1900 census was June 1, and the "as of" for the 1910 census was April 15.

    Of course, if I found the right individual in the 1880 census, that individual gave an age of 30 to the census takers (implying birth year of 1849-1850).

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    Something interesting just popped into my head today about the grandfather that I can't find on any of the free genealogy sites - Murphy.

    He worked at the Wright Brothers Bicycle Shop here in Dayton when he was a kid, like 12-14. Of course, I forget the details. Neat, huh?

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    O.k. - so to all you college edumacated (ha) and world travelers, I am totally world-geographically challenged.

    Luxembourg is a city in Germany, a city in Belgium and a country?

    What the *&^% ????????

    (Still popping around to free genealogy sites - and my relatives are from all three? Huh???????)

    Can you say "obsessed", anyone?

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    I don't know about a city in Germany names Luxembourg, but there IS a province in Belgium named Luxembourg (but no city AFAIK). It's right on the border with the country of Luxembourg. Wikipedia says
    The province was separated from the neighbouring Luxembourg by the Third Partition of Luxembourg in 1839, after the Belgian Revolution, and declared to remain a part of Belgium.
    For the German connection, I know that it was occupied by Germany a few times during WWI & WWII. Could that be where you could be getting confused? Or going along with the Partitions of Luxembourg, the Second Partition included losing territory to Prussia (modern day Germany) in 1815.

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    True story--not from my family searching. I was at a genealogy workshop, and the guy who was in charge was talking about how he was complaining to his wife about all the boring farmers he was finding in the family tree--why didn't they have any exciting relatives? Then he discovered that his great-grandmother's brother was Baby Face Nelson--as in the famous Chicago gangster. He said that was enough excitement for one family!
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    Language sometimes separates us, even when it is ostensibly the same language. I went nuts trying to understand how my great-grandmother could possibly have had her first child at age 15 AND been a teacher. After much more digging, I finally figured out that great-grandfather had been married earlier, had a couple of kids, and then his first wife died. Those kids were listed as children of his second wife on virtually every document and obituary I encountered, and even my uncle didn't know of the earlier marriage.

    And when language REALLY separates us, it gets worse. My Canadian grandmother's family is documented in the Drouin church (Catholic) records, and names are changed willy-nilly as the priests vary from French to Irish, and the records are further scattered across a number of different parish registers because of itinerant priests who criss-corssed the river and then returned home to put the entry into their own parish register, far from where the baptism, burial, or marriage had taken place. And while I admire greatly the transcription effort involved when the records are written in wildly varying styles of penmanship, those efforts also lead to some incorrect transcriptions. All part of the chase.

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    This thread got buried on the second page. Just wanted you all to know I am still plugging along. And, boy, was someone right about spelling. My mom's grandfather's name is spelled Louis, Lewis, Lukas and Lukes, depending on what US census you are in. We-ird. Imagine what his name will be when I track him to Germany before 1880.

    And I got back to the 9th generation on my mom's dad's side.

    Still no clue about the Murphy/Ireland side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan1 View Post
    This thread got buried on the second page. Just wanted you all to know I am still plugging along. And, boy, was someone right about spelling. My mom's grandfather's name is spelled Louis, Lewis, Lukas and Lukes, depending on what US census you are in. We-ird. Imagine what his name will be when I track him to Germany before 1880.

    And I got back to the 9th generation on my mom's dad's side.

    Still no clue about the Murphy/Ireland side.
    any Germans out there feel free to correct me, but isn't Ludwig a Germanic equivalent to "Louis" or "Lewis"?

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    I am anxiously waiting for my mail everyday. The town where most of my ancestors were from on all sides in the US has a great library and supposbly has obits going back a long way. I was able to search the database online and got 24 relatives names, including siblings or folks with names that look connected. I submitted the list and the librarian is pulling them for me and will mail. She was super nice on the phone, excited to be helping me. Even asked about some other relatives and said she would do additional search. I asked what the charge was and she said free, but suggested a donation. Hoping to get the info in the next week or so.

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    Librarians are the best. I've gotten tremendous assistance from librarians all over the country, which is particularly helpful when the material is not online. A small donation helps a lot -- even photocopying and mailing costs are a challenge given tight budgets. (And thanks as well to the many volunteers that help our local history branch do genealogical lookups for folks from out of the area.)

    (And Ireland is the the worst. They made a decision to not share much information on-line -- you either have to go in-person or pay a professional researcher at one of the sanctioned research sites. Blech.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenlyon60 View Post
    any Germans out there feel free to correct me, but isn't Ludwig a Germanic equivalent to "Louis" or "Lewis"?
    My German 2nd great grandfather is listed as Ludwig on his US naturalization record, then as Louis on later censuses. Actually in 1870 his name is spelled "Loueza", while his son is listed as Louis Jr. Go figure. Louis Jr became Lewis on later records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan1 View Post

    And I got back to the 9th generation on my mom's dad's side.
    Wow, that was quick. You must've found the mother lode of all records. I have so little info (names, dates etc) about my family I doubt I could go back 4 generations with any accuracy.
    3539 and counting.

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    I got back a bit further than that in about a week thanks to a really devoted genealogist on a long-lost wing of the family. She had her own webpage up, and every single source I was able to independently check matched up perfectly. I spent the week confirming and cross-checking, and when everything panned out, I declared that good enough for me on that particular wing. I tried to convince her that she ought to have an interest in one of my other grandparents (to whom she is not related) but she didn't bite. Too bad. I can really admire the folks who go on treks through Canada and France searching out original source records and then putting photocopies of them up on the web.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenlyon60 View Post
    any Germans out there feel free to correct me, but isn't Ludwig a Germanic equivalent to "Louis" or "Lewis"?
    You're a genius. Thanks for putting that thought in my head. I found my great grandmother's cemetery (an "old German Catholic" cemetery in Cincinnati) record and guess who is listed as sharing her plot - hubby Ludwig, AKA - Louis/Lewis/ Lukas/Lukes!!! With the right approximate date of death. Woo-hoo. And I know he came from Germany in 1880 when he was 18. It doesn't look like his parents came here. Here's a puzzling thing - he didn't marry my great grandmother till 1899 when he was 37. Wonder what he was up to for 19 years in the U.S. before that! Could be another family somewhere?????? Sheesh! My cousin lives in Cincinnati. I'm trying to get her to do some legwork there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milanessa View Post
    Wow, that was quick. You must've found the mother lode of all records. I have so little info (names, dates etc) about my family I doubt I could go back 4 generations with any accuracy.
    Yeah, a very complete professional looking genealogy website. Am I allowed to post the link?
    http://lucius.us/getperson.php?perso...87&tree=Lucius
    If not, and you want to see something really cool, just do a search on "Louis Lucius" (Yeah really, that was my great great grandfather's name). Pictures and everything.

    However, I was looking at cemetery sites and the person (not the cemetery) who put it together had "my" Catherine from the Lucius website as "wife of" a different brother, with "my" Catherine's birth and death dates. Who's right? There's a picture of a headstone, but I can't tell what it says. I emailed the owner of the cemetery website. Haven't heard anything back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbk View Post
    Librarians are the best. I've gotten tremendous assistance from librarians all over the country, which is particularly helpful when the material is not online. A small donation helps a lot -- even photocopying and mailing costs are a challenge given tight budgets. (And thanks as well to the many volunteers that help our local history branch do genealogical lookups for folks from out of the area.)

    (And Ireland is the the worst. They made a decision to not share much information on-line -- you either have to go in-person or pay a professional researcher at one of the sanctioned research sites. Blech.)
    I emailed the Dayton Montgomery County reference library asking about William J. Murphy. They forwarded it to the genealogy desk!!!!!! I just asked them if they could help me get started since I can't find ANYTHING online. Not even an obituary in 1958. And, geez, all these cemetery sites I've been going to, with lists and pictures? He's buried right here in Miamisburg in our church's private cemetery, and "they got nothin". I'm sure if I call the office (the cemetery doesn't have one, you have to call the church), they'll say they don't have the records anymore or something.

    I've got some good trails to follow on my dad's mom's side though. I remembered my dad mentioning some of his Aunts from when I was a kid.

    My brain is tired!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan1 View Post
    - he didn't marry my great grandmother till 1899 when he was 37. Wonder what he was up to for 19 years in the U.S. before that! Could be another family somewhere?????? Sheesh! My cousin lives in Cincinnati. I'm trying to get her to do some legwork there.
    Sometimes the men married when they were older because they waited until they had a certain amount of money before marriage. One set of my Mom's grandparents were engaged for something like 10 years because they waited until he had enough money to buy a farm before they got married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suep1963 View Post
    Sometimes the men married when they were older because they waited until they had a certain amount of money before marriage. One set of my Mom's grandparents were engaged for something like 10 years because they waited until he had enough money to buy a farm before they got married.
    Of course then there's the family group within one of my lines. They got married AFTER having something like 7 or 8 kids. Basically lived together for all those years. It appears that they got married soon after she "found religion" based on part of the text of her obit.

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    My sister is the genealogist of our family. We are lucky that extensive records are available on certain ancestors. We can trace a direct line to an ancestor who came from Normandy with William the Conqueror. With my maternal grandfather, though, we can trace only to his parents in Ireland. The earlier records of his branch of the family were destroyed in a church fire in the 1880s.

    My paternal grandmother gave us a newspaper clipping with the headline "Tragic Death" that described a great great uncle's death after "accidentally" drinking a bottle of carbolic acid. According to my grandmother, he had a drinking problem and his wife refused to let him have alcohol in the house. He would pour it into various types of bottles and hide it in the house or the outbuildings. One night after polishing off the contents of one of his bottles, he pulled out a bottle of carbolic acid, thinking it was another part of his hidden alcohol stash. Unfortunately for him, it really was carbolic acid and that was the end of him.
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    Genealogies are fascinating.

    Both my Father and Grandfather did a lot of digging. My Grandfather published the complete genealogy of our family beginning with my ancestiors landing in Salem, MA aboard the Arbella in 1630.

    My Dad has spent years going back to our ancestry in the UK and France. Turns out the French branch was kicked out by the Catholics since they were Hugenots. The rest of the family tree comes from Ireland, Scotland, and Wales. Right now he is back as far as 1380 from the Scotch branch. He has come to a temporary deadend with the Irish branch since records become psarce durng the plagues when burials were done so quickly that records were incomplete.

    Cromwell didn't help any since he ordered the buring of many church records during his reign.

    The most fascinating fact which I discovered after I moved to Lexington, MA is that I am directline descendent of one of the militia who fought on the Lexington Green on April 19th.

    I had fun a few years ago when I went up to the renactor who played by descendent and said, "Hi, I am your great great great great great great great great grandson."
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