I would say Angela Nikodinov; she always had the potential to be memorable but she still needed the right coach to make it happen.Brian Boitano comes to mind as a skater who learned to be unforgettable, having previously been forgettable except for his death drop and 3A. Right this minute I'm drawing a blank as to others. Clearly they were forgettable, because I've forgotten them
"Marge, if you're going to get mad at me every time I do something stupid, then I guess I'm just going to have to stop doing stupid things!" - Homer Simpson in the Mr. Plow episode
Also the point I was trying to make was that in figure skating, a lot of "forgettable"/boring skaters can still win big titles. For as good as Jason Brown is, if he doesn't get a 3a and soon, chances are the "forgettable" skaters like Miner, Dornbush, and Farris will be beating him in competition. I know he was able to win the JGPF, but he did so by a small margin and was only able to at all because he skated 2 clean programs while both Yan and Farris had some major boo-boos. Also the international judges don't give him nearly the PCS the US judges do, and give Farris PCS just as high soo yeah. I think if he gets a 3a soon though then the international judges might bump up his PCS significantly, but I think they are holding off until the 3a materializes in competition. I mean Max Aaron beat Jason at JW last year and he's a quintessential jumps focused Tom Zzzz skater.
Tim Dolensky Are you serious. GP ??
I agree about Angela Nikidinov being a skater that learned to be memorable. Definitely
OTOH, I disagree about Ross and Rachael-both are interesting skaters who sometimes crossover into the memorable and sometimes are amazinly forgettable. In their most memorable moments, both are better live than on TV. I say this having been surprised by both of them in live competition last year at Nationals: Rachael's short was a standout, but her LP was a snooze. Ross was the reverse-his short was just OK, but his LP was great, with an extremely enthusiastic standing ovation by the crowd. This year they reversed-it was Rachael's long that led to a standing ovation at Nationals, and Ross's short at 4CC's.
Dornbush I found to be a snooze in both his programs last year at Nationals. But it's clear that some others did not find it that way.
I don't find Farris interesting on streaming video, but I've never seen him live when he was healthy, so I'm reserving judgment.
Honestly why are we sending Dolensky?
And because Nathan Chen is still too young to go to Jr. Worlds, AFAIR? And because the boys at Senior Nationals were too old, with the exception of Jason & Joshua. Timothy had the highest finish of a junior eligible boy at Nationals.
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Yes, Nathan Chen will turn 13 in May and be ISU Junior age-eligible next season.
I don't find Farris forgettable at all- nor feminine His SP this year, when skated well ( like his GP events and GPF, not the Nationals) is one of my very favorite programs of the year.
He has yet to have a LP that I loved, but that's less to do with him than with his packaging and choreographers. I think he has great potential to express, he's just not fully tapped into it yet ( I like his new Rachmaninov LP, but it's just too new to feel completely realized).
For example, here- 2009 JGP SP http://youtu.be/4bN3FxKlcnY - while he is skating to typical "Sing Sing Sing" ( oh, Tom Z., must everybody?)- he shows excellent feeling of rhythmic synchopation- and what was he then- 14 going on 15, I think. Between this and "Clair de Lune"- that's two distinctly different styles where he is paying a lot of attention to music. I hope it develops in the years to come! Add great spins, variety of jumps, good SS- and I like the package.
Not everybody ( hardly anybody) could be Jason Brown, when already at 15 he had performance magic. Most people come into it much later, even the ones who have it in them.
Back on topic- I'll keep my fingers crossed that Junior Worlds scores are really HIGH.
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improving my ballad- like lines
Also regarding Jason, I think I had mentioned this earlier, but all season on the JGP, he and Josh have been receiving very similar PCS. Then at nationals, well I'll disregard the SP because Josh's was messy and Jason went clean, but in the FS where they each made a similar number of errors, Jason's PCS were 75 and Josh's 65. At the JGPF they both got 69, and that was with a clean skate from Jason and a flawed one from Josh. USFS loves Jason, clearly, but I think the international judges are holding out handing him huge components until he starts trying the 3a in competition. Meanwhile, it's pretty obvious Farris is received well internationally considering his monster SP scores put up at his JGPs this season.
Regarding Aaron, his programs at Nationals were very strong technically, and yet his scores in both the SP and FS were quite near those of Jason's, who had no 3a in the SP (while Max had a 4s!) and no 3a and 3 falls in the FS (while Max was cleaner and attempted a quad and two 3as). So it's just different internationally. If Jason beats Josh at JW, I am fairly certain it will be because Josh will have made a bunch of silly mistakes. If Josh skates well, I am fairly certain he will place ahead of Jason.