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    Just saw on a local news feed that a local (for me) dog won Best of Breed, and his half sister won Best of Opposite.

    Selkirk dog "Best of Breed" at Westminister Show

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kruss View Post
    Disappointed but not surprised at BIS. But they were all champs, it's just that was my least favorite of the top 7.
    That's how I feel every time there is a toy or mininature poodle as a group winner. I don't loathe them as much as Poms or Pugs or schnauzer-like terriers but I just really think they look awful. (I like Standards, especially with a body clip.

    Karina--I had a local (to me) in the Terrier Group with the Bedlington. I didn't even known someone raised Bedlingtons around here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kruss View Post
    One story said it was one woman trying to reach the ring, another story said it was two PETA members trying to reach the ring.
    It looked like 2 people with some kind of signs or small banners. PETA came to mind immediately.

    I loved the Shepherd out of the Best in Show candidates. Peke is cute, but such a Cousin It.

    But even more I loved the Sammy, Malamute, Newfie, Pyrenees, etc. I did'nt get to see the Herding group. Herding and Working are my faves.
    I think I will have a snack and take a nap before I eat and go to sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Kitty View Post
    This, plus the Dalmatian. I'm sure the Peke is a lovely Peke, but it was probably my least favorite. And should I really trust the judgement of a woman dressed like the BIS judge?
    True. Not only that I suspect the vast amounts of Botox she was injected with, found their way to her brain.

    Has anyone else noticed that she barely had any control over her facial muscles?
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    If you listen close to David Frei, he almost always gives clues as to which dog's will be in the finals and might win. He mention the Peke early on and was of course correct.

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    The Peke was a heavy favorite, right? Someone will have to explain this to me some day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    The Peke was a heavy favorite, right? Someone will have to explain this to me some day.
    114 prior Best In Show wins means he's a pretty strong dog. I haven't read an AKC breed book in ages (hey, I worked in Mackinaw City--small library, nothing to do...) but the dogs aren't judged against each other in BiS as much as they area against their breed standard. Closest to 'textbook ideal' wins. Malachy is apparently a near-ideal Peke.

    I hope so, too--I noticed with him, and the English Toy (who was Best of Breed, so the most-ideal English Toy at WKC) they didn't have the extreme squashed nose popeyed look sometimes those breeds do. They had actual snouts--short ones, but snouts. I HATE that crushed look and the inevitable snorting as the poor dogs try to breathe. I'd rather have more like those than some of the toys that have gotten to look like pug crosses.

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    The Peke was a favorite last year as well, made it to BIS as I recall, and then didn't win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garden Kitty View Post
    The Peke was a favorite last year as well, made it to BIS as I recall, and then didn't win.
    Yep. Same Peke (Malachy). Apparently Hickory was a more ideal deerhound than he is a Peke, at least with that judge! (Did anyone else feel sorry for her in that home video? Those were HUGE puppies, and TEN! It would be like having a whole herd of small gazelles in the house.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    114 prior Best In Show wins means he's a pretty strong dog. I haven't read an AKC breed book in ages (hey, I worked in Mackinaw City--small library, nothing to do...) but the dogs aren't judged against each other in BiS as much as they area against their breed standard. Closest to 'textbook ideal' wins. Malachy is apparently a near-ideal Peke.

    I hope so, too--I noticed with him, and the English Toy (who was Best of Breed, so the most-ideal English Toy at WKC) they didn't have the extreme squashed nose popeyed look sometimes those breeds do. They had actual snouts--short ones, but snouts. I HATE that crushed look and the inevitable snorting as the poor dogs try to breathe. I'd rather have more like those than some of the toys that have gotten to look like pug crosses.
    Thanks. I realize that in BiS they are judged against the breed standard and he is a great Peke apparently. I was just wondering what make him such a great Peke and say, the Irish setter a not as great an Irish setter.
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    As I understand it, the winner is supposed to be the dog that comes closest to the "standard" for that breed. I'm wondering if it is easier for the small dogs to come closer to that standard. Otherwise, I'm like many posters here - I think the big dogs get robbed far too often.

    Like I posted earlier - why can't a labrador or a golden retriever ever get the nod.

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    That Setter had 15 puppies and got back in top shape in a little over a year! Sometimes the BIS winner is simply based on attitude. They all represent the breed standard so the difference is that indefinable something the dog has. I really thought the Dobie and the Shepherd showed the best. That Dobie's stance was perfect, but this Peke has won more BIS than any other dog this last year, so he's got something.
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    Well, whatever the Peke's got, doesn't come through on TV. I didn't notice any attitude. Le shrug. The setter wuzrobbed!
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    I did. I thought he o-w-n-e-d that room when he did his final run. I thought the German Shepard had that same 'tude also and might have got in there for the win, but I was still rooting for the Peke.


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    Quote Originally Posted by A.H.Black View Post
    As I understand it, the winner is supposed to be the dog that comes closest to the "standard" for that breed. I'm wondering if it is easier for the small dogs to come closer to that standard. Otherwise, I'm like many posters here - I think the big dogs get robbed far too often.

    Like I posted earlier - why can't a labrador or a golden retriever ever get the nod.
    I suspect with BiS so much of it is things you have to put your hands on the dog to tell. I've READ the standards, but some of them are just...I think if I had a dog example in front of me they'd be more logical. When they're bad, they're BAD (I know why my Pembroke was someone's chubby pet and not a show dog) but deciding between great dogs has to come down to tiny things like teeth alignment.

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    For instance, my parents' cat is a Birman and she is pet quality. I know exactly why: her eyes aren't blue enough, that is not a deep blue and her mittens are not all the same and don't taper up in the back the way they are supposed to. Her sister though, grew up to be a champion show cat. (I TOLD my parents to get both kittens when they had the chance!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    Well, whatever the Peke's got, doesn't come through on TV. I didn't notice any attitude. Le shrug. The setter wuzrobbed!
    Like I posted earlier - why can't a labrador or a golden retriever ever get the nod.
    As I understand it, the winner is supposed to be the dog that comes closest to the "standard" for that breed. I'm wondering if it is easier for the small dogs to come closer to that standard. Otherwise, I'm like many posters here - I think the big dogs get robbed far too often.
    If coming closest to standard is what's needed to win, then there is really no need to show the dogs. The showing - how the handler and dogs 'perform' - doesn't really matter, it's all just for show (pun intended

    I've been disappointed with the results of Westminster every year since Josh the Newfoundland won - though I was okay when the beagle won.

    I've never seen a golden or lab even make it to the final, and this year was thrilled to see the Dobie, the Shepherd, and the Irish Setter in the final line-up. IMO the Irish Setter stole the show the way he literally pranced around the stage. Even the wiener dog shows better than the Peke.

    My downstairs neighbour is a Peke person and I admit I'm not fond of the breed - it's a decorative breed as they were meant to sit on pillows for the emperor, so they are kind of dumb dogs. I find them quite unattractive as well. But of the three my neighbour had, one was pure white and the colour did make for a more attractive peke.

    But the Peke who won here, I'm sorry to say, was not IMO an attractive dog at all.

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    Malachy the Fairest Peke of them all, sure looked like wouldn't mind sitting on a pillow. When he was being walked (the whole 2 yards of it) he kept looking up at the handler, as if saying "Dude, you gonna pick me up soon or what?"

    I was happy when Josh the Newfie won, Uno the Beagle and that Sussex spaniel, what's his name. Here's a slideshow of past winners of Westminster: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...y.html#photo=1
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    I'm not a dog lover by any means, but "The Black Marble" by Joseph Wambaugh is one of my favorite books. It's sad and also hysterically funny, and is centered around a dog show.
    http://www.amazon.com/Black-Marble-J...9377845&sr=1-1

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    Just like skating, some of the dogs get a rep bonus and they get a bonus based on the handler's rep. All those dogs except the Dobie were handled by a professional handler. The guy who won, has won BIS at Westminster before, so there are sort of bonus points for that. Even if the judge didn't know which dog had made the final cut, it's very likely she was familiar with all 7 dogs, their owners and certainly their handlers from other shows this year. The winning dog is almost always the top winning dog in the country before WKC's show. A dog has to have so many points before they even get the invitation to compete. Just being invited to compete in best of breed is a big boost for a dog's rep, to say nothing of the handler or kennel.
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