Only in case of equipment failure or illness
Sometimes- depending on GP and other results and Nationals
Only if that top 10 skater medaled at Worlds
Upon further consideration, I think finishing nineteenth at the previous season's U.S. Nationals ought to earn one a place on the team.
My issue with this was that it would be one thing if Armin was 4th and Ricky was 6th or something (although I know many would still have had a problem with that too) but it's especially egregious to send someone who came in 13th. I think it's one thing to take previous results into account to some extent, but this is just like ignoring Nationals altogether.
And the result is someone who who finished 14th in the LP at 4CC's, with the third lowest TES in the event, with only Mark Webster & Jeremy Ten lower.
Well now that things have unfolded as they did, I think USFS committee has learned a good lesson. I don't think they've ever done something like this before nor are they likely to do it again anytime soon. Still think Ricky's spot was partially justified by 1) his good FS at Nationals, 2) his pretty good SB score, and 3) his strong finish at Worlds season, but logistically it seems that Ricky maybe wasn't mentally at his best after Nationals nor does it sound like he was prepared for altitude. Armin's training in Co Springs probably could've come in handy for him here. But, maybe this will provide more incentive for Armin to get a better FS next year and also work towards stronger skates at his international events so he is more seriously considered in the future. The world will keep on spinning as long as everyone is learning from their mistakes.
I absolutely agree that learning from mistakes is necessary.
Both for federations, skaters, and fans.
But seriously - last year they went with the Nationals result, left Abbott home and lost their 3rd spot. This year they took everything into consideration, made Dornbush the 1st alternate and he didn't deliver when he got to go.
I actually think they did the right thing this time. It's just an unfortunate outcome. If he had made top 5 somehow, people would be over it already.
^apples and oranges IMO.
The difference was sending the 3rd vs the 4th place guy last year, with about 6 weeks for the 4th place guy to get in shape.
This year, it's the 4th place guy vs the 13th place guy with about a week and a half to get in shape. Plus the event is where the 4th place guy trains at altitude, and the 13th guy trains nearer sea level.
If you want to know what they should have done last year in my silly opinion:
Bradley-send him to Worlds (winner always goes in the US)
Dornbush-send him to Jr. Worlds to win the title & 4CCs for senior experience
Miner-ineligible for Jr Worlds; send him to Worlds & 4CCs, because he needed senior experience in prep for Worlds
Abbott- send him to Worlds & 4CCs, if he wants 4CCs. If not, send Bradley to 4CCs, or Rippon to 4CC's.
But that was a solution no one considered. And it would have been better for all the skaters, except Armin who was 6th. Armin probably should have been first alternate at both Worlds & 4CCs in this scenario.
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This time what they did was not even close to logical. Dornbush very clearly struggled and placed 13th overall. Armin was 4th. There is a huge gap between the standings and the performances they delivered. It made no sense at all to make Dornbush the 1st alternate over a skater that just missed the bronze. If they really wanted to give him a chance, they could have made him the 3rd alternate for 4CC. This was not just an "unfortunate outcome". It had to be expected, based on what we saw at the nationals.
I hope the USFSA has learned its lesson, but politics will never die, so we may still see some strange selections.
I think that whatever the USFS decides, it needs to have some hard and fast rules. I'm sure that Ricky felt himself under extra pressure precisely because of the controversy surrounding the choice ... and that probably didn't help him any. If he was secured the spot under strict rules, so there wasn't a lot of controversy (or at least, the controversy centered on the merits of the USFS's rule, not the skater), it would have made things easier for all concerned.
no, it shouldn't, why-if they u.s. lady can't handle national or any other disciplian than they can't handle the 4cc.
besides than the year of the olympics --they shouldn't be able to opt out if make olympic team in times past.
top ten at worlds last year helps maybe-but it depends on how well fight for it at their nationals.
placement at nationals for me trumps unless result is way close
but it depends on who the u.s. figure skating wants to send regardless of what i think.
sometimes they know who to send it best.
So Im curious now - do all the people who supported sending Ricky now think we should send Zhang to Worlds instead of Zadawski?
Alissa Czisny is going to Worlds; Agnes Zawadzki is 1st alternate.
Yeah, in all the hullaballoo over Caroline and Ashley, everyone seems to have clean forgotten about Alissa Czisny, lol.