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    I don't see Mirai faring any better against the Japanese girls anyway. Even if her parents were willing to let her go to Japan, there wouldn't be any gain for Mirai in skating there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    CLARIFICATION: I didn't say it WAS bullying. I said it REMINDS me of such tactics.
    That's not a clarification, but a repetition. HOW does it remind you of bullying tactics?

    She said something thoughtless and rude. They kinda overreacted in their defense of the other skaters. Where does "bullying" come in? I'm just curious because the use of term just seemed out of left field to me.

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    At her best she can win the US championship quite convincingly.

    We all know that a revitalized Nagasu can give basically the entire US field a run for their money. The only exception was perhaps a top-of-her-game Czisny, but that basically never happens. If/when she pulls herself together and gets back to 2010 National/Olympic form, no doubt in my mind she'll go right back to the top. Although she might need a 3-3 in the future...

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    Has this article on Michelle been discuss? I know this is a Mirai thread, but...well...
    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...rina-slutskaya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    Has this article on Michelle been discuss? I know this is a Mirai thread, but...well...
    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...rina-slutskaya
    The Kwan article(s) are posted in this thread in the Trash Can (post #50): USFS Hall of Fame 2012-The Kween!

    Back on topic... Ashley Wagner and Caroline Zhang have shown this season that results and competitive performances can be improved if the work is put in and the desire/proper attitude comes from within. Only Mirai can decide if she wants to motivate herself enough to continue skating competitively and at what level. Nothing that's posted online -- here on FSU, Twitter or other skating forums -- matters, really. We fans like to entertain ourselves here on FSU but for skaters, their skating is a serious business and needs to be taken seriously by them if they are to succeed.
    Last edited by Sylvia; 02-14-2012 at 11:15 PM.

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    Where does "bullying" come in? I'm just curious because the use of term just seemed out of left field to me.
    The language/tone of several of the responses was obviously to provoke a strong reaction out of her. They could have easily said something like "you, know, that's not very nice" but that would not have been strong enough for them, I guess.

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    Uhh the thought of Mirai twitter in her 'broken Japanese' *shudders* under even more scrutiny of watchful eyes and highly sensationalized and unforgiving japanese media/culture regarding to any public faux pas. Nooo thanks.... we need to save her from herself.

    For the record, I think Mirai is better than Kanako, Imai, Risa, Miki and Akiko (and I love Akiko).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    The Kwan article(s) are posted in this thread in the Trash Can (post #50): USFS Hall of Fame 2012-The Kween!
    Why thank you.

    And I apologize to all for the slight derailment of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Do people SERIOUSLY think Nagasu would have an easier time in the Japanese field??
    ^This.

    If Mirai skated the way she did at US Nationals at Japanese Nationals, she'd have similar results. Anyway, I hope Mirai gets back to her 2010 form. She has all the natural talent but she needs to buckle down and make some hard decisions (going with Frank without mom or staying in LA, etc). I know it's not easy but she'll eventually have to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockTheTassel View Post
    I think ideas about skating for Japan are from frustrated fans of Mirai who are looking for any kind of change that could potentially help her and bring back the personality and superb skating she was bringing to the ice a couple of years ago. But I agree that the idea of Mirai skating for Japan is unrealistic and unnecessary. Mirai could probably be the top US lady if she really committed to it.
    Mirai could probably be the top female skater in the World if she really committed to it.

    Nevertheless, the suggestion that someone of her caliber should go skate for her parents' native land is one that seems to be applied solely to skaters of Asian ancestry. No one ever suggested that Sasha Cohen,for example, needed to make was to skate for Ukraine or Russia or even Israel. And yet, if a highly talented Asian-American skater is struggling (like Mirai Nagasu, but also Caroline Zhang a season or two ago) or simply faces steep domestic competition (like the Shibutanis a couple of seasons ago), people think it appropriate to suggest that the skater dump everything, sit out for two seasons (which, here, would include the next Olympics!), and skate for another country. Why is that, if it isn't some twisted racialist thinking?

    Nagasu is, in purely domestic terms, the most successful Asian-American singles skater since Michelle Kwan. It's silly to suggest that throwing it all away in order to skate for another country is an appropriate response to her problems.

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    YES! Sasha could skate for Ukraine and win more National titles!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Why is that, if it isn't some twisted racialist thinking?
    I think it depends on how publicly the skater displays their attachment to another country. Mirai gets Japanese interviews on Japanese television, and performs in Japanese shows; and she has dual citizenship I don't remember Sasha doing that with any of Ukraine/Russia/Israel. Does Sasha have dual citizenship?

    OTOH, Johnny Weir certainly has (been) talked about competing for Russia.

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    No, Sasha Cohen does not have dual citizenship. Unlike Japan, the Soviet Ukraine stripped citizenship from its emigrants, so her mother is also only a US citizen. Your loss, Ukraine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Mirai could probably be the top female skater in the World if she really committed to it.

    Nevertheless, the suggestion that someone of her caliber should go skate for her parents' native land is one that seems to be applied solely to skaters of Asian ancestry. No one ever suggested that Sasha Cohen,for example, needed to make was to skate for Ukraine or Russia or even Israel. And yet, if a highly talented Asian-American skater is struggling (like Mirai Nagasu, but also Caroline Zhang a season or two ago) or simply faces steep domestic competition (like the Shibutanis a couple of seasons ago), people think it appropriate to suggest that the skater dump everything, sit out for two seasons (which, here, would include the next Olympics!), and skate for another country. Why is that, if it isn't some twisted racialist thinking?

    Nagasu is, in purely domestic terms, the most successful Asian-American singles skater since Michelle Kwan. It's silly to suggest that throwing it all away in order to skate for another country is an appropriate response to her problems.
    I don't think people are being racist. They're just not really thinking it through. I'm sure if Iran or Saudi Arabia had skating feds, people would be suggesting that Armin Mahbanoozadeh and Yasmin Siraj represent those countries. And there have been a few people who've suggested that Agnes Zawadzki represent Poland.
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    How many times did people suggest Emily Hughes should go skate for Canada? I think...like...everyone on this board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    The language/tone of several of the responses was obviously to provoke a strong reaction out of her. They could have easily said something like "you, know, that's not very nice" but that would not have been strong enough for them, I guess.
    I get what you are saying, however her original comment could be perceived as bullying if you want to get that technical. She could have easily just said...nothing and then we would not be having this discussion.

    BTW not trying to give u a hard time or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    I don't think people are being racist. They're just not really thinking it through. I'm sure if Iran or Saudi Arabia had skating feds, people would be suggesting that Armin Mahbanoozadeh and Yasmin Siraj represent those countries. And there have been a few people who've suggested that Agnes Zawadzki represent Poland.
    Quote Originally Posted by UGG View Post
    How many times did people suggest Emily Hughes should go skate for Canada? I think...like...everyone on this board.
    And were any of them former senior-level U.S. National champions?

    I recognize that Zhang and the Shibutanis weren't, and I did use them as examples, but there's a tremendous difference between former silver medalist Hughes whose chances of ever winning gold at U.S. Nationals were pretty much over when she took out her Canadian citizenship and former gold medalist Nagasu who, still, could be the best in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    And were any of them former senior-level U.S. National champions?

    I recognize that Zhang and the Shibutanis weren't, and I did use them as examples, but there's a tremendous difference between former silver medalist Hughes whose chances of ever winning gold at U.S. Nationals were pretty much over when she took out her Canadian citizenship and former gold medalist Nagasu who, still, could be the best in the world.
    I don't get why being a national champion makes it difference as far as this being a race issue. Mirai was a national champion, Emily a silver medalist. They are both Olympians and their best placement at worlds was 7th. Aside from the national championship, they are really not that different career wise.

    Emily was one cheated but counted triple toe loop away from being national champion.

    If you are looking at this being a skater VS skater comparison, yes, there is a big difference between Emily and Mirai. Mirai could be best in the world. She does not need to go to another country for results. She just needs to work harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RD View Post
    Do people SERIOUSLY think Nagasu would have an easier time in the Japanese field??
    Yes and no. Mao is obviously the biggest competition, though Mirai has the potential to beat her, especially with Mao's recent struggles. Akiko is twenty-six, so I expect that she'll continue through 2014 at the latest, and I do think Mirai could beat her. Kanako has had some success, but she doesn't have the greatest consistency or technique. Haruka is also inconsistent and hasn't proved to be a strong force yet. We don't know when/if Miki will be back.

    The future strength of the Japanese field depends on whether or not Mao regains her form, how long Miki and Akiko plan to continue, and if the younger girls can step up. Mirai could definitely hold her own, but of course she would need to skate like she used to. She's not going to get anywhere by doing what she's doing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittl1321 View Post
    But I don't see Mirai skating for them, her Mom wouldn't even let her move a few hours up the road...


    And if they can't afford even to rent an apartment up in Lake Arrowhead for Mirai, how in the world could they afford to send Mirai to live in JAPAN??? My parents live in the Bay Area (which is not cheap, same as LA) and my mom nearly had a coronary when she visited Japan.

    It doesn't make any sense either - Mirai's issues are not because of lack of talent. If she's underperforming here, she'd probably underperform skating for Japan too. Trying to escape to a possibly-easier field (not guaranteed since it's ya know, Japan and not Georgia) wouldn't make any difference in her training or competitiveness. She might win more, but with equally subpar performances. Is that what we really want for Mirai?

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