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    If Zueva think she is a God she never let Tessa and Scott to have other choreo. She didnt understand, she need help, Tessa and Scott need help. They could work in Canton, but have different teams for choreo with other teams andll will be happy (and stop talking she did masterpiece for one team and nothing about other).
    And when you are talking about Tessas injury - so Zueva-Shpilband all time help her, work woth her doctors, but why she had this injury? Maybe all think this is her destiny and coaches doesn't concern with this and concern only with Tessas OGM, but i think her injury have connection with her practice.
    One think made me sad - SC still dont understand what is going on, didnt have specialists, who understand ice dance really good and could say what programs there first team need to have and what they will say after 4CC and then after WCh?

    When you are talking about T-S independing - where did you find this information? Did you remember Orange tam interview at TEB? "Marina is going mad and said: "You think you know something, but you didnt know nothing". So this is independing.

    And when i said about coping style, i mean i dont like W-P did this - they need to have there own style. And belive me, G-P will show reall skating next season and they have there style already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    If Zueva think she is a God she never let Tessa and Scott to have other choreo. She didnt understand, she need help, Tessa and Scott need help. They could work in Canton, but have different teams for choreo with other teams andll will be happy (and stop talking she did masterpiece for one team and nothing about other).
    If Tessa and Scott wanted other choreography they'd have it. Why do you think they're stupid? They both seem strong-minded to me, with a lot of definite opinions about how they want to skate. Blame them. Why are you putting the blame on their coaches? Is it too hard to believe they don't want to leave? Or maybe the problem is you don't want to believe they think differently than you because they're your favorites?

    And when you are talking about Tessas injury - so Zueva-Shpilband all time help her, work woth her doctors, but why she had this injury? Maybe all think this is her destiny and coaches doesn't concern with this and concern only with Tessas OGM, but i think her injury have connection with her practice.
    Would you explain how you know everybody is responsible for Scott and Tessa except Scott and Tessa? Tessa's dad is a lawyer and her mom seems smart. Didn't her parents look out for her? What about the Moirs? Tessa is intelligent and Scott's smart too. Where did you get the idea they were stupid? You seem pretty certain about it.

    It's obvious Scott and Tessa choose their programs. If they had doubts they'd go to another coach. Marina and Igor are not Rasputin.

    This looks like way too much of a selfish fan perspective. You want your favorite skaters to do what you want and you prefer to think they want the same things you do. Of course if they don't, the only reason is somebody is manipulating them. If they were left to themselves they'd do it like you think they should. That's pretty egotistical.

    And when i said about coping style, i mean i dont like W-P did this - they need to have there own style. And belive me, G-P will show reall skating next season and they have there style already.
    G-P have your style already, not theirs. Theirs is Christopher Dean's. They could be marionettes, just like all the skaters he's choreographed for. Please be accurate. The circus theme, a lot of the lifts and moves has been Christopher Dean's style since the 1980's. That's the style and if you like it, fine, but don't call it their own style because it's not. If Scott and Tessa wanted to skate like a Christopher Dean show I bet they would. They're not weak and stupid like you pretend. It's too bad you have this low opinion of your favorite figure skaters because you don't want to think they have different ideas than yours.
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    I said this before - if for you Z-Sh is Gods and V-M are stupid skaters, who couldnt show brilliant Z-Sh - its your opinion. Look like nobody could said nothing about Z-Sh, but could said everything about V-M.

    And if my favorite skaters look happy i dont care about there programs, but now T-S didnt look happy thats why i am worry about them.
    And Scott reaction after GPF show for me - he only now open his eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elle123 View Post
    does anyone else feel really uncomfortable when they go to their opening pose in the SD and Meryl does this weird face gymnastics routine?
    No, you're not the only one.
    Not sure what she is trying to convey....sexiness???
    Anyway, I seem to recall Meryl likes to open her mouth in many poses (include the bollywood OD) but you're right that this is the most pronounced I've seen the facial expressions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    And Scott reaction after GPF show for me - he only now open his eyes.
    What reaction, Pani? Please open my eyes. What did Scott say or do after GPF and where should I go to see?

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    If you'll recall Scott was mad at the judges(no one else to my knowledge) and he later turned out to have valid concern and for the tenth time FF is still undefeated. They like the program, for Tessa it's a dream, I like the program, A LOT of people like this program and up until Scott landed on his backside there was no concern for the SD so can we let this season play out and enjoy their skating. Then THEY will make the decisions, and they should know better than anyone what they need.

    As for G/P, yes they were good but I'd hardly say that's THEIR style. It's a Chris Dean program. G/P haven't been together long enough to even know what they wanna be or could be, or to even have a style or identity IMO, that stuff takes time. If you wanna jump on that bandwagon and trash V/M go ahead I guess. It can't always be smooth sailing I'm afraid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    I said this before - if for you Z-Sh is Gods and V-M are stupid skaters, who couldnt show brilliant Z-Sh - its your opinion. Look like nobody could said nothing about Z-Sh, but could said everything about V-M.

    And if my favorite skaters look happy i dont care about there programs, but now T-S didnt look happy thats why i am worry about them.
    And Scott reaction after GPF show for me - he only now open his eyes.
    It's still the same thing - you're projecting your feelings on them. You want to be right so if you have to say they're stupid, you'll jump. You're only looking at facial expressions. You don't know what why they look that way. You just have an oversized opinion of yourself.

    Realitiy: Scott fell in the GPF and was angry. He was also angry at losing the fd. Well, he fell and it turns out they won the FD.

    Reality: Tessa stumbled in the sd at Canadians - same program they messed up at GPF. Result - very frustrated because they wanted to make a statement about their sd.

    How you feel isn't reality because you don't know. That doesn't stop you. Scott looks unhappy it must be for the reasons you're unhappy. Do you see how that looks? pani knows more about their coaching, their training mates, their Federation, and the style of programs they should skate than Scott and Tessa.

    Marina is in your head. That's not anything you see in Scott with your own eyes. I would bet he doesn't agree with you and not because he's a stupid man. You don't like their programs and want them to leave Canton. So to you this means Scott agrees with you. What a relief because you know so much better than they do! Ugh it's so arrogant.
    How do you know what Scott was unhappy about? It must be the same things that you're unhappy about. You're insulting them all the time. You write about them as if they're little kids who know nothing and you need to run their lives. Why not, you can read their minds and you're the expert on them.

    The other crazy thing is to pretend Tessa and Scott don't have their own style when you really mean you don't like their style. Anybody who says G&P have their own style instead of Christopher Dean's familiar style doesn't even know what it means.
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    Are you Zueva?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    Are you Zueva?
    That is one impressive effort at reasoned argumentation.

    Quote Originally Posted by sequins
    If you'll recall Scott was mad at the judges(no one else to my knowledge) and he later turned out to have valid concern and for the tenth time FF is still undefeated. They like the program, for Tessa it's a dream, I like the program, A LOT of people like this program and up until Scott landed on his backside there was no concern for the SD so can we let this season play out and enjoy their skating. Then THEY will make the decisions, and they should know better than anyone what they need.
    All of this. Their single defeat came in a program in which Scott fell. I feel as though saving the angst and hysteria for a clean match-up that ends in silver might be more reasonable, but what do I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavenderblue View Post
    All of this. Their single defeat came in a program in which Scott fell. I feel as though saving the angst and hysteria for a clean match-up that ends in silver might be more reasonable, but what do I know.
    angst and hysteria...? LOL
    ok, so Tessa and Scott will stay in Canton until Sochi but will get beaten by their mates no matter what wonders they produce. does this make sense? it is supposed to be a competition or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martyross View Post
    angst and hysteria...? LOL
    ok, so Tessa and Scott will stay in Canton until Sochi but will get beaten by their mates no matter what wonders they produce. does this make sense? it is supposed to be a competition or not.
    They will lose because they are so bad and Z-Sh is genius.
    If they stay - why not try to work with someone else?
    Or Z-Sh will all time decide who will be first? They didnt give the same both teams, V-M even didnt have there own SD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    They will lose because they are so bad and Z-Sh is genius.
    If they stay - why not try to work with someone else?
    Because Marina the evil is preventing them and Scott and Tessa are her victims!

    That's what you're saying, you know that, right? Marina has voo doo on them. Scott and Tessa are not allowed to get other choreography. Marina has them in jail.

    Why don't you bring this to the attention of the authorities in Michigan? Unless you're saying Scott and Tessa aren't able to defy Marina. Why not? Okay - their eyes aren't open - they're stupid and naive. OR, Marina is blackmailing and manipulating them - they're weak. OR she's doing something illegal to stop them getting outside choreography.

    pani - how do you KNOW they want to work with someone else? What if they don't want anyone else's choreography? Could you handle it? Because I just am not understanding why you're so sure they want to work with someone else. I know you want them to work with someone else. How do you know they want it?

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    You are good Zueva lawyer.

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    Subway you are starting to sound as hysterical as you think pani is.

    Pani believes Marina is responsible for their programs this year, you post as though you are convinced Tessa and Scott are to blame. How exactly do you two differ (aside from the side of the fence you are standing on).
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    T-S said - Marina recall FF before this season.
    I think for T-S now better to try to made new exibition and relax

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    Quote Originally Posted by marbri View Post
    Subway you are starting to sound as hysterical as you think pani is.
    I thought Subway was showing the implications of pani's posts. In order for pani's claims to be correct, V/M have to basically be dupes. It seems to me Subway takes issue with V/M being constantly portrayed as idiots by pani.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aniahwi View Post
    I thought Subway was showing the implications of pani's posts. In order for pani's claims to be correct, V/M have to basically be dupes. It seems to me Subway takes issue with V/M being constantly portrayed as idiots by pani.
    You know better, what iam thinking and want to show

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    Quote Originally Posted by aniahwi View Post
    I thought Subway was showing the implications of pani's posts. In order for pani's claims to be correct, V/M have to basically be dupes. It seems to me Subway takes issue with V/M being constantly portrayed as idiots by pani.
    Guess it's all in the way you read it. I think sometimes, often, you have to reread her posts, keeping in mind english isn't her first language, and not take every little word so literally.

    But that aside if you believe someone is being hysterical (and yes pani does get excited and agitated) I don't know that responding with hysteria works.
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    Just as I reread my post above and realized how comma happy I was
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    Quote Originally Posted by marbri View Post
    Subway you are starting to sound as hysterical as you think pani is.

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    LOL! I was just thinking the same thing, marbri!

    There is a whole group of Virtue and Moir fans on another board that worship the ground Marina and Igor walk on, and I think some of them have infiltrated FSU.

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