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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    What a low score for Shibs in FD - 106.23/ Its because they didnt skate V-M FD?

    Now i understand what Shpilband mean, when he talked about we give all the same things - they give them the same programs Maybe V-M didnt pay money for this choreo, thats why Marina gave it to Shibs?
    Honestly, i like Shibs, but what Marina doing?
    The Shibs score is basically what W/P got at Canadians. And about 7 marks higher than P/B at Euros. I think the Euros judging is probably more accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayii View Post
    When is 4CC anyways, it can't happen soon enough.
    here is the link to four continents:
    http://www.2012fourcontinents.com/?page_id=624
    SD on Sat Feb 11
    FD on Sun Feb 12

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    These are the facts. In the only instance they competed at the same event this season, Scott fell and V-M skated a sub-par SD, but won the FD. So, I ask this: why is it that you think it is impossible for V-M to defeat D-W at Worlds? I think it will be close, but I won't emphatically say that V-M are doomed for the season. I don't see things that way, but maybe that is just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddtpdx View Post
    I have no doubt that V/M can outskate D/W at Worlds.
    It's just whether the judges will reward them for it.
    But that is out of their control.
    Let's just all think positively and wish them the best skates since there's nothing we can do about the marking anyway.
    Those are my feelings on the situation, exactly. Do I think Tessa and Scott can outskate D/W at 4CC and Worlds? Absolutely. Do I think they will: Absolutely. I just don't know if the medals are going to match the skating. It wouldn't be the first time it's happened in ice dance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
    Who cares if the do! All the teams are doing it.
    In this case, I'm more amused than anything else because of an article awhile back where P/B said that Krylova/Camerlingo (yeah, I totally just butchered the spelling) still consult with Zhulin about them over the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golightly View Post
    These are the facts. In the only instance they competed at the same event this season, Scott fell and V-M skated a sub-par SD, but won the FD. So, I ask this: why is it that you think it is impossible for V-M to defeat D-W at Worlds? I think it will be close, but I won't emphatically say that V-M are doomed for the season. I don't see things that way, but maybe that is just me.
    I will be called crazy for this, but politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddtpdx View Post
    here is the link to four continents:
    http://www.2012fourcontinents.com/?page_id=624
    SD on Sat Feb 11
    FD on Sun Feb 12
    Thanks!

    Golightly I don't think that it's impossible that T/S can beat D/W, I just think D/W have the edge and momentum right now, that's all. But like I said I hope I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shayii View Post
    Thanks!

    Golightly I don't think that it's impossible that T/S can beat D/W, I just think D/W have the edge and momentum right now, that's all. But like I said I hope I'm wrong.
    Momentum can swing. It wouldn't be the first time it does, it something that happens. I think D-W have skated that program to their full potential whereas V-M have not yet. That makes me think they could win it. Of course, I could be wrong, but who knows? They might come up with two spectacular skates that day.

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    What i don`t understand is why are they so damn nervous know they should just skate the orginal programs they had at the start of they year and just concentrate on getting the levels. I feel all these changes were unnecessary they had a great score in the fd at gp final. They should just polish the programs i feel this obssession about beating D&W has gone to their head just skate naturally and let the judges vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golightly View Post
    These are the facts. In the only instance they competed at the same event this season, Scott fell and V-M skated a sub-par SD, but won the FD. So, I ask this: why is it that you think it is impossible for V-M to defeat D-W at Worlds? I think it will be close, but I won't emphatically say that V-M are doomed for the season. I don't see things that way, but maybe that is just me.
    After seeing the D&W FD, I totally agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sliver98 View Post
    They should just polish the programs i feel this obssession about beating D&W has gone to their head just skate naturally and let the judges vote.
    I agree with this. But people talk and skaters find out. That builds pressure. It's so mental, they feel at a disadvantage, not on the ice precisely but the media say that it won't be enough and people here say it won't be enough and they know that's what's being said. So, wouldn't you be nervous too?

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    If there is an "obsession" on the parts of V&M to beat D&W, perhaps it stems from the fact that up through the GPF it did appear as if V&M were being given the message through the judges marks that D&W had passed them by in most areas. Like some of us, Scott in particular feels that impression is incorrect.

    There also seemed (seems?) to be the impression that V&M's coaching team is no longer giving equal attention to their two top teams. V&M (Scott in particular) are very competitive and they know what they are capable of. Even without major mistakes, it has seemed for most of the season that the judges are viewing V&M as the inferior team.

    I'm surprised by how relatively low D&W's scores at U.S. Nationals were. Given those marks, I do think V&M have a shot to win another world title but they have to get their heads together and try and ignore what has been going on for the majority of the season. I think that the SD performance at the GPF might have been due to the pressure and whats being said off ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    What a low score for Shibs in FD - 106.23/ Its because they didnt skate V-M FD?

    Now i understand what Shpilband mean, when he talked about we give all the same things - they give them the same programs Maybe V-M didnt pay money for this choreo, thats why Marina gave it to Shibs?
    Honestly, i like Shibs, but what Marina doing?
    They should go to Christopher Dean so he can give them the same choreography he gives to Jane and himself in show programs. Which is the same choreography he did for SOI group numbers, Samuelson/Gilles and Gilles/Poirier.

    Few are as original as he. They can't get away from Marina fast enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lavenderblue
    It feels as though they overreacted to something that didn't require overreaction -- Scott didn't fall, nor did they miss their levels, because the structure was somehow wrong. I really felt that as long as they drilled those rhumba sequences and the SS enough, they'd get those 4s, and once that became second nature the PCS would only have more room to grow. The restructuring just seems like overkill.
    Bringing this quote from the previous V/M thread.

    While I agree that the SD seemed to be working fine the way it was, I think no one really knows what, if any, feedback Scott and Tessa received about the SD from the judges. It could be that something was said to them by someone with influence and that it's not about Scott falling during the GPF. There are a lot of interesting assumptions going around, but we don't really know what's going on.

    And I personally hope they never go to Christopher Dean. Maybe for an exhibition but not for a competitive program. I have no desire to see V/M looking like T/D.

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    i hope that they can skate well at 4cc and by well i mean, no falls, no trips and full levels. because worlds is stressful enough and i don't want for them the added stress of hoping it'll be the first time their programs truly come together all season. i want them to get that moment at 4cc and build on it.

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    of all our suggestions for a color change on tessa's sd costume, no one even thought of brown that meryl is now wearing. how about a pale blue or aqua?

    just lightening up the mood here

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    as long as it's not neon... anyway, i've like her sd costumes all season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iggie View Post
    as long as it's not neon... anyway, i've like her sd costumes all season.
    funny, the title of the thread is all about needing shades because of the bright future.

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    anyone watch the gala tonight????

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    i did. same gala exhibition as gpf.

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    maybe tessa can wear something of a leopard print for the sd? rawr!

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