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    Just because she has money, houses, etc. doesn't mean that she was/is happy about how her life course has taken her. And those of us who chat on a forum where anorexia and depression are frequent topics of discussion should know that those illnesses are rarely about wanting that condition, but something that unless is recognized, treated and monitored for relapses.

    A woman or man who is older than their significant other must always fear that they will leave you for someone younger. To make light of it because someone thinks it should have been a no-brainer, isn't kind. I don't know how old she is, but to think that no one will love you is a very difficult thing at any age.

    Technically it is exhaustion - it has been reported she wasn't eating, sleeping, or functioning in a normal pattern. You can go without sleep or food for so long before your body becomes exhausted.

    You are right - the coal miner or whoever doesn't get to call it exhaustion, it goes by whatever mental illness name that we happen to name it at the time. Both have their stigma. You don't think she should be able to afford healthcare - then don't help support her through going to her movies, etc.

    It is a terrible thing to go through - people all know what it is, she knows what it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    No pity for her at all. She has a really great relationship with her first ex, sounds like nothing horrible happened with Ashton and her kids all seem to have their heads on their shoulders.
    I've never been a fan of Demi Moore, but I'd say that having your husband screw random girls who then go and sell their stories to tabloids is pretty horrible. As is having the world ask what you expected after marrying a much younger guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    In other words:

    a) you feel like you deserve to be loved and don't sympathise with people for whom it's an issue

    b) you have the same problem and you're lashing out at Demi because she's reminding you of something uncomfortable

    You forgot "you're just jealous!"
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    Exhaustion. Could that be the same as nervous breakdown? Yes, she's older than Ashton, but if they were strangers and you saw them together, who'd even think that?

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    If one is going to use a euphemism, does it really matter what euphemism is used? I don't understand the objection to the term, nor do I understand why anyone thinks she has some sort of obligation to NOT use a euphemism. Strictly speaking, a person with anorexia IS exhausted.



    Money smooths the way in life and makes it more likely that you will get good care for your ills, but it doesn't do a whole lot to keep you from suffering from depression and experiencing unhappiness. I don't understand thinking that Demi Moore somehow can't suffer because she is rich and famous, or that it is her own fault for not realizing that younger men can't be faithful to their wives. Men are either faithful or they are not; it doesn't have a whole lot to do with their wives, but has everything to do with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    I don't understand the objection to the term, nor do I understand why anyone thinks she has some sort of obligation to NOT use a euphemism.
    I don't get it either. I've been hospitalised for exhaustion several times. I had "severe exhaustion" written on my doctor's notes for medical leave for work and study. I didn't ask for it to be written, but I much preferred it to any specifics, which I consider to be private.

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    So what if she's unhappy? The best comment ever made about happiness is in "No Cure For Cancer"--"Happiness is a short thing. You eat the cookie, you ****, you smoke the cigarette, that's it. 'I'm just not happy, I'm just not happy...' Shut the **** up." I'm not HAPPY realizing I'm exhausted from working all week, the cat just threw up in the living room, the dogs need to be walked and the yard work all needs to be done, but as I'm NOT a rich celebrity who has 'people' for that, either I do it or it doesn't get done. I can be happy later when I'm finished. The quote is "pursuit of happiness", not "guaranteed to get it constantly and never have anything upsetting happen ever ever ever." (Because the Declaration was written by grown-ups, not spoiled children.)

    Like overedge said, she (and any celebrity) didn't get to be rich by telling the press to go away and magazines not to write about her and entertainment shows not to cover every detail of her relationships. You want to be rich and famous? Congratulations, your life is an open book. That means when things go bad, that's also public. Suck up and deal and don't complain, or quit being a 'celebrity' and get a real job.

    I don't even have ANY sympathy about potential eating disorders (beyond 'Really? She's always been boney, but since she's single NOW it must be anorexia?') and if there is actual depression and not just self-pity (which impe is what a lot of "depression" is-finding out the world does not exist to make sure you're happy all the time). Lots of people are disordered eaters and depressed. If they're really really really lucky, they might have insurance that covers treatment and someone to pick up the daily-life slack while they get it.

    If I'm going to pity the rich I'll save it for someone like Steve Jobs, who earned his money and whose probems were called "getting screwed by nature."

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    danceronice, why is it only non-celebrity's who deserve your sympathy? People are people. So what if a lot of non-celebrity's have eating disorders and are depressed? Can't we have compassion and/or sympathy for anyone who goes through that? As someone who has gone through (and is going through constantly) both, I feel sad any time I hear of anyone suffering from depression or an eating disorder. Insurance or no insurance, celebrity or not. I know I'd hate to go through either in the spot light, but either way, it's sad. The same goes for a marriage break-up, a death, an illness. We're all human.

    It's really not an either/or. Just because someone can afford to have treatment and/or has insurance doesn't negate their issues and IMO we can feel compassion and sympathy for all of them. Just because there are people worse off than me (or Demi) doesn't mean I (or she) can't also feel sad, depressed, angry or whatever. My sad is different to yours, but to me it's still sad. I may feel pain when you wouldn't, but it's still pain to me.

    And not being happy is not the same as being depressed and/or having an eating disorder. No one is happy all of the time, but if you're unhappy most of the time, that's a problem.

    What makes you think Demi Moore didn't earn her money? I thought she got her money from acting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    I don't even have ANY sympathy about potential eating disorders (beyond 'Really? She's always been boney, but since she's single NOW it must be anorexia?') and if there is actual depression and not just self-pity (which impe is what a lot of "depression" is-finding out the world does not exist to make sure you're happy all the time). Lots of people are disordered eaters and depressed. If they're really really really lucky, they might have insurance that covers treatment and someone to pick up the daily-life slack while they get it.

    If I'm going to pity the rich I'll save it for someone like Steve Jobs, who earned his money and whose probems were called "getting screwed by nature.
    There's a whole lot of ignorance above. Maybe the self-pity that you seem to have no patience for is actually a manifestation of depression. It's pretty damn difficult to be depressed and put on a "happy" exterior. And that can come across as self-pity because depression makes you think that it is you that's the problem. You become the freak that's just not like anyone else because you can't function like normal, you have to fight tooth and nail just to get out of bed in the morning, you can't get pleasure out of things that you're supposed to get pleasure out of, you can't feel emotions like a normal person. It's pretty hard to not exhibit some self-pity in that state.

    As far as Demi goes, I have a lot of sympathy for anyone suffering from depression or eating disorders. Yes, being wealthy means that she has access to resources easier than most but that doesn't mean it's really any easier.

    And since you brought up Steve Jobs, he had much easier access to resources to treat his illness too. And depression is an illness too and is just as much being "screwed by nature". I don't see any difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cachoo View Post
    "Exhaustion" was being used when Elizabeth Taylor was young. Ita that they need to come up with something else. I'd like to see a coal miner attempt to be hospitalized with "exhaustion."
    Yes but it sounds so much classier than being hospitalized for huffung.
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    And I've seen plenty of posts (not just here) about how Steve Jobs had treatment options early on in his cancer that could have significantly altered his outcome, and how some people do not pity him at all, as (in their opinion) he brought his death upon himself.

    Anyone can find a reason to not pity another person if they're determined to.
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    Wow. Mean crowd here. I'm kind of shocked and disappointed, frankly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    A little compassion costs you nothing and invites the same when you are suffering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefcake View Post
    Wow. Mean crowd here. I'm kind of shocked and disappointed, frankly.
    Have you read the threads that citicizes skaters like Zhang, Flatt and Plushy? This is just the usual FSU .

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    having a mental disease (which it sound like she has) is VERY different from 'feeling down' or 'wanting more vacation'. Money can't get you out of that striking, and if it strikes you, it doesn't matter how much sick time you get - iff you stop eating you will not function in your work.

    If she just was feeling down and sad and needed rest, I am sure she wouldn't have checked in to a hospital.

    I feel a lot of envy here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danceronice View Post
    If I'm going to pity the rich I'll save it for someone like Steve Jobs
    Because otherwise the well will run dry?
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    Latest report is that she inhaled too much laughing gas - http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/25/demi-m...oxide-seizure/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    Because otherwise the well will run dry?
    What well? It's at best a dimple in the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Latest report is that she inhaled too much laughing gas - http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/25/demi-m...oxide-seizure/
    Nitrous? Seriously? I thought that was a teenage thrill. Who knew that adults have tank parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BittyBug View Post
    Nitrous? Seriously? I thought that was a teenage thrill. Who knew that adults have tank parties.
    Not the only juvenile behaviour as of late, apparently.

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