Demi Moore Hospitalized for "Exhaustion"

[Southpaw]

Congrats on one of the most stupid, insensitive and offensive posts ever posted on FSU, danceronice.

I dunno, Zig. The argument could be made that this particular honor could go to you for that remarkably insensitive and borderline cruel bullshit you pulled in the "Merry Christmas FSUers!" thread last month.

Danceronice thinks depression is stupid and useless and you think Christmas is stupid and useless. So is a comment only insensitive, offensive and stupid if it offends you personally?

Sorry about all that crap you put yourself through last night. I think you are a nice guy at the bottom of it all and I sincerely wish that one day you will be able to break through all the bullshit that is holding you back in life. If you have not yet read it may I suggest the novel "Demian" by Hermann Hesse?

Back to Demi, at least she is getting help before she started hitting the Redi-Whip cans.

[orbitz]

Now, if one is an actor, dancer, singer, sportsman, etc., someone who's in the public eye because of their skills/job, they owe the public what they do at/for work and maybe some autographs later. Their private life is their private life. If they decide to share some of it, great, if they want to keep the rest out of the public eye, that's their damn right.

The line gets blurred when actors are heavy tweeter user and tweet constantly what's going on in their lives and their thoughts. Both Demi and Ashton were heavy twitters.

[WindSpirit]

The line gets blurred when actors are heavy tweeter user and tweet constantly what's going on in their lives and their thoughts. Both Demi and Ashton were heavy twitters.

Doesn't matter. Like I said, everyone's private life is to be shared at their own discretion. If celebrities are heavy twitters, great for those who are interested. If they stop, bummer, but they don't owe the public anything more than the public paid for (in case of Demi and Ashton, their movies/TV show etc.). If they decide to share their private life, it's a gift, not a contract. They can stop anytime. For a day, for a week, forever. It's up to them to start or stop. Anytime they choose.

That's my take on it. And seeing how demanding people can be, I couldn't be more happy that I'm not a celebrity.

[Southpaw]

From today's Daily News:

Demi Moore's downward spiral may have accelerated with the death of her longtime Alcoholics Anonymous sponsor.

The actress was visibly distraught at the Cape Cod, Mass. funeral in December for 70-year-old Pattsy Rugg, a renowned substance abuse counselor, People.com reported.

Rugg had become a mother figure of sorts for Moore, suggests Cape Cod Today, which reports that the star once introduced her as "mom."

Demi Moore Meltdown

So divorce and the death of her "mother" in the space of a couple of months. No wonder she was hitting the whip-its.

[Civic]

I had no idea her childhood was so traumatic. A mother with substance abuse issues and a criminal record. A biological father who skipped town before she was born. A stepfather who committed suicide. She had a lot of strikes against her but has still managed to forge a successful career. Here's hoping she can channel that same determination into tackling her demons and coping with her divorce.

From today's Daily News:



Demi Moore Meltdown

So divorce and the death of her "mother" in the space of a couple of months. No wonder she was hitting the whip-its.

[topaz]

I feel bad for Demi. I've read articles about her before. She was always the "mother" in her relationship with her mom. I think being the rock of one's family eventually takes its toll on a person.

[duane]

I remember the early stories about Demi. As the "hot" brat-packer, she went thru a series of men (each one a financial upgrade over the previous one) until she hit the jackpot with mega-star, mega-rich Bruce Willis.

I guess today, her preferences in men are youth and brawn. More power to her, but with a young, hot husband (whose bank account isn't too shady either, who has young hotties throwing themselves at him on a daily basis) in a town where it's all about looks, did she really think happlily ever after?

I don't feel good about Demi, but I don't feel bad for her either. Her marriage failed. Join the club of millions of women. Unlike Demi, many of these women have to deal with the many problems of divorce (depression, anger, lawyers, court battles, custody issues...) without the financial means of a Demi Moore. Sail around the world. Buy another town. Rent some Ashton-look-alike escorts. Go shopping with the Housewives of Beverly Hills.

[topaz]

I remember the early stories about Demi. As the "hot" brat-packer, she went thru a series of men (each one a financial upgrade over the previous one) until she hit the jackpot with mega-star, mega-rich Bruce Willis.

I guess today, her preferences in men are youth and brawn. More power to her, but with a young, hot husband (whose bank account isn't too shady either, who has young hotties throwing themselves at him on a daily basis) in a town where it's all about looks, did she really think happlily ever after?

Why not? Older men have been doing it for years, dating and marrying younger women and folks don't assume that they are going to leave them for a younger man. I think women with younger husbands violate social norms and thus suffer from social sanctions than their male counterparts.

Hugh Jackman is married to a woman 13 years older than he; They've been married 16 years.

[Ziggy]

I dunno, Zig. The argument could be made that this particular honor could go to you for that remarkably insensitive and borderline cruel bullshit you pulled in the "Merry Christmas FSUers!" thread last month.

If Christmas = nightmare for you, then what feels insensitive and cruel is all the Xmas cheer bullshit, which is everywhere and can't be avoided.

But yes, you do have a point, of course.

Danceronice thinks depression is stupid and useless and you think Christmas is stupid and useless. So is a comment only insensitive, offensive and stupid if it offends you personally?

What is stupid is thinking that you can simply "snap out" of a mental illness. Because you obviously can't. And that's why a great deal of resources goes into research and clinical practice. If telling somebody to "just deal with it" worked, it wouldn't really be necessary.

And it's offensive because it blames people who suffer from mental disorders, suggesting it's somehow their own fault.

[duane]

Why not? Older men have been doing it for years, dating and marrying younger women and folks don't assume that they are going to leave them for a younger man.

Men are more visual than women. Younger women who marry much older men often do so for money/security. In Hollywood, it seems that it's usually the older husbands who leave the marriage. Once the trophy wives age, the husbands look for new-and-improved, younger trophies.

[Jot the Dot Dot]

Should we feel sorry for Demi? Mixed bag. Reading the front page news, most take a snap judgement that it's another Celebrity Off Their Meds, etc. Then we read about a tragic childhood, and feel there's more than meets the eye. It's easy to feel sorry when it is something completely beyond their control (Canadian drummer Neil Peart losing his only child and wife within the span of 10 months), easy to raise eyebrows when it's another LiLo or Amy Winehouse. And since when was her medical history past or present public property?

Peart wrote about his uneasiness with being in the public eye with his song "Limelight": http://www.elyrics.net/read/r/rush-l...ht-lyrics.html

[topaz]

Men are more visual than women. Younger women who marry much older men often do so for money/security. In Hollywood, it seems that it's usually the older husbands who leave the marriage. Once the trophy wives age, the husbands look for new-and-improved, younger trophies.

I don't and have never believed that. Women are just as visual as men, its just we're more forgiving and look for more things than looks.

The old men who move on to trophy wives to whom they can't do anything with. Viagra only does such much. But that's a whole another conversation.

Also, I don't get the women who marry just for money/security. Its not 1864, women can make their own money and secure their own future without the help of a marriage. Nothing is for free, if you marry someone for money/security one may be giving up their personhood and independence.

[smileyskate]

If you heard the 911 phone call (I am still surprised it's not an invasion of privacy to do that), I hope that you all are sure to have a good old fashioned phone or whatever that you are CERTAIN provides all the location info to the dispatcher! If you have the phone from anywhere else check the phone book for the number to police/fire office-not 911 of course-to be sure they do have all the info. The dispatcher was transferring her daugher's call around, and one person was even asking her to spell where she lived. What if it was a senior who could not speak clearly or someone speaking in another language or hysterical? Also, I'd keep it plugged in the kitchen or other super obvious place that someone would look for a phone in case they need to call-or YOU need to call when you are in big trouble and can't see or think clearly, etc.. I hope so but can you be sure a cell will even remain charged in an emergency? Let's hope none of us ever have to be in a 911 situation.
Enough rambling but I saw another post on this elsewhere so I wanted to help after I heard how long it took for Demi's daughter to even get it clear who was responsible for sending help. Skary.

[Japanfan]

Men are more visual than women.

That is utter nonsense. Though I'm sure their is pseudo-science out there making that claim. Maybe the same pseud-scientists who claim that a biologically based drive to spread their seed is responsible for male promiscuity.

Interesting, though, is some equally bad research arguing that men don't have the 'housework gene'. I remember an article saying this meant that actually couldn't see what housework needed to be done (though could see what needed doing in the yard).

Younger women who marry much older men often do so for money/security. In Hollywood, it seems that it's usually the older husbands who leave the marriage. Once the trophy wives age, the husbands look for new-and-improved, younger trophies.

Also, I don't get the women who marry just for money/security. Its not 1864, women can make their own money and secure their own future without the help of a marriage. Nothing is for free, if you marry someone for money/security one may be giving up their personhood and independence.[/QUOTE]


Yet the formula is still very much alive: female youth and beauty in exchange for male wealth and status. Obviously and sadly, some women still see the trade off as desirable. Who would Melania be if she hadn't married Donald Trump? The lifestyle she has may be a fair exchange for her independence and personhood, in her eyes.

Course she may not always feel that way, especially if she is discarded and replaced with another younger trophy wife. But she can probably get all the plastic surgery she needs to make Trump happy for a very long time.


And this is okay because it satisfies men's visual senses?

[Japanfan]

I don't feel good about Demi, but I don't feel bad for her either. Her marriage failed. Join the club of millions of women. Unlike Demi, many of these women have to deal with the many problems of divorce (depression, anger, lawyers, court battles, custody issues...) without the financial means of a Demi Moore. Sail around the world. Buy another town. Rent some Ashton-look-alike escorts. Go shopping with the Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Not having enough money or access to needed resources makes people unhappy, but the converse isn't true - unlimited money and access to resources doesn't make people happy. It's possible to be wealthy, famous and totally unhappy/messed up. Marlon Brando talked about that in his last TV interview with Larry King, pointing out that despite his huge wealth, he'd been miserable most of his life.

[duane]

I don't and have never believed that. Women are just as visual as men, its just we're more forgiving and look for more things than looks.

That's my point.

[Prancer]

That's my point.

If men were truly interested in nothing but looks, there would be a lot more male celibates.

Who would Melania be if she hadn't married Donald Trump? The lifestyle she has may be a fair exchange for her independence and personhood, in her eyes.

How has Melania traded her independence and personhood any more than any other married woman? If you marry an older, wealthier man, are you by definition not an independent person any more? If you marry a younger, poorer man, are you by definition a cougar?

I find it rather breathtaking that one person would take it upon herself to declare than another person has surrendered her personhood simply by virtue of marriage. Even if she married Trump for his money and no other reason, she is still a person in her own right.

[Japanfan]

How has Melania traded her independence and personhood any more than any other married woman? If you marry an older, wealthier man, are you by definition not an independent person any more?

Not necessarily, but I would say that it is often part of the trade-off. If your beauty is your primary currency, you may have accept that you are being objectified which in itself contradicts with personhood. If youth is your currency as well, you'd better stay looking young.

Have you seen how Trump treats women on the Apprentice? He does seem able to compartmentalize his views in the sense that he has respect for women in business, but his sexism clearly comes through at times. As does his stature as a person of authority. I don't think challenging that authority with an independent mind and attitude is what Trump wants in a trophy wife.

If you marry a younger, poorer man, are you by definition a cougar?

Not necessarily, again. I'm not real fond of the word cougar and to be frank, am not sure what it means. But to give an example, I know of a woman in her 60s, who looks her age, who just married and imported a lover from Jamaica 30 years her junior. I think that would qualify her as cougar?

I find it rather breathtaking that one person would take it upon herself to declare than another person has surrendered her personhood simply by virtue of marriage. Even if she married Trump for his money and no other reason, she is still a person in her own right.

Breathtaking?

You flatter me.

And as I'm sure you know, many women have sacrificed their personhood for marriage.

[BittyBug]

I don't think challenging that authority with an independent mind and attitude is what Trump wants in a trophy wife.

I'm not necessarily a fan of The Donald, but if you've read any interview with either Ivana or Melania, they are both extremely intelligent, well-educated, spirited women. I think you make a lot of assumptions about them just because of the age gap and their physical appearance.

[Prancer]

And as I'm sure you know, many women have sacrificed their personhood for marriage.

In theory, maybe, although I would only accept such a judgment from such a woman herself. I don't know how anyone could determine that another person does or does not have personhood.

I think you make a lot of assumptions about them just because of the age gap and their physical appearance.

ITA. What else is there to go on?