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    Quote Originally Posted by Mafke View Post
    Isn't Stapleford also in the Eismuttis documentary?
    She was in this documentary.
    Last edited by Maofan7; 01-23-2012 at 12:04 AM.

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    Peggy Fleming would have needed something like 12th place marks in the LP for Seyfert to have even a chance to beat her (yikes). Furthermore, the judges were more than willing to give Fleming high presentation scores in spite of any technical mistakes she might have had (she got straight 5.9s from all 9 judges)

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    Quote Originally Posted by giselle23 View Post
    I think Janet's free skate should have been second. She had an good attempt at a triple salchow (two-footed) and a beautiful double-axel-double loop combo.
    Not to mention the double salchow in both directions. And she reportedly was sick with the flu during these Olympics.

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    Here are some other videos from the other competitions at the 1968 Olympics:-

    Gary Visconti (USA) - 1968 Olympics FS - he finished 5th in the free skate and 5th overall

    Cynthia Kauffman & Ronald Kauffman - 1968 Olympics Pairs LP - finished 7th in the FS and 6th overall. They skated to Gone With The Wind!!

    Ludmila Belousova & Oleg Protopopov - 1968 Olympic Pairs LP - winning the Gold medal. Ludmila kept her maiden name after she married Oleg, but that didn't stop the media referring to them as 'the Protopopovs'.

    Tim Wood won the Silver medal. Whilst there is no video available of his Olympic free skate, here is the video for his 1968 Worlds Long Program:-

    Tim Wood - 1968 Worlds LP

    Tim also finished 2nd at Worlds, this time to Emmerich Danzer of Austria who had finished 4th at the Olympics. Wolfgang Schwarz, another Austrian, won the Olympic Gold medal and promptly retired. Tim, like Gaby Seyfert, went on to win Gold at both the 1969 and 1970 World Championships and retired, not hanging around for the 1972 Olympics

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    The men's event was weird. On paper, danzer should have coasted to gold. I never really understood the whole scoring debacle. If a calculation error really cost wood the gold, why wasn't it corrected? And we're scuba and nepala that big a threat that two champs just had to get out of the way or been run over? And then there's the whole "human trafficking" scandal.....

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    I remember feeling very sorry for Tim Wood.

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    Can one of you explain the scoring issue surrounding Tim Wood at the Olympics? Thanks in advance, I don't know this story.
    "Once you've skated together long enough, and you're really good friends, you can close your eyes, put your hand out and she's right there." Joe Dolkiewicz, 2011 US Novice Pairs Bronze Medalist

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    Last edited by skatesindreams; 01-24-2012 at 04:54 PM. Reason: to add comment

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    Wasn't it just a classic 5-4 decision? In fact it was up to the Canadian judge (Ralph S. McCreath), perhaps they thought Canada's "vote* was assured - after all Mr. McCreath had Tim Wood above Wolfgang Schwarz in the compulsory figures (by narrowest of margins: 116.4 vs. 116.3). If he had given Wood a 5.8 for artistic impression, Tim would have won the gold...

    http://winter-olympic-memories.com/h...igure_m_ex.htm

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    http://www.ifsmagazine.com/articles/2-judging-errors

    Also
    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...about-Tim-Wood
    The article is no longer online but the discussion of it is interesting nonetheless

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    Gaby Seyfert's retirement in 1970 has been discussed.

    Anyone know why Tim Wood retired in 1970, not going on to 1972 Sapporo? He would definitely have contended. Also, US men were fine in 1972, but maybe not quite as strong as Olympics past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maofan7 View Post
    I agree with Button's comment that Tim's skating needed more variety of tempo. Tim skated with the same fast speed for the entire 5 minutes regardless if the music playing was slow or fast. It's interesting that he only attempted one triple. Did the men back in those days only do a 1 triple max program? Who was the first man to do multiple triples in a LP ?

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    Regarding Tina Noyes, she is right in that a lot of pressure was placed on young juniors in the aftermath of the 1961 crash. Tina was one of those skaters and actually performed in the skating benefit held in Boston which was hosted by Dick Button and had Ted KEnnedy in attendance reading a message from his brother JFK (you've probably seen clips of that). Tina was only 12 at the time but she was already landing huge double axels and did so in that exhibition. Remember that ladies double axels in the early 60's were not common. A lot of top ladies never had that jump. She was the chosen one I think; she was the one with all the pressure heading up into seniors and that had to have had an impact. Fleming was barely on the radar back in 1961.

    ETA: Gary Visconti really was one terrific free skater. His LP from Worlds just two weeks after this was even better!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by berthesghost View Post
    http://www.ifsmagazine.com/articles/2-judging-errors

    Also
    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...about-Tim-Wood
    The article is no longer online but the discussion of it is interesting nonetheless
    I had the article - a wonderful one; and lost it when my previous computer was hacked/compromised.
    If anyone has it, could you share?
    Last edited by skatesindreams; 01-24-2012 at 07:00 PM.

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    If you search the archives, there was a thread a while back that discussed gabby and Tim both. Very similar situations iirc.

    1972 men's was similar to ladies. Nepala was 4th in the fs but won due to his big lead in figures. John misha petkovich was the Janet Lynn of us men, stunning free skater, always behind in figures. He was 2nd in fs but 6th in Figures and finished 5th. Ken Shelley was 3rd in fs but 5th in figures so ended up 4th, like he did in pairs, but I think there was a much stronger wuz robbed case to be made for him in pairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olympic View Post
    Anyone know why Tim Wood retired in 1970, not going on to 1972 Sapporo? He would definitely have contended. Also, US men were fine in 1972, but maybe not quite as strong as Olympics past.
    http://www.sports-reference.com/olym...im-wood-1.html

    With two years to go, he was now the top skater in the world, but he had had a long career and Sapporo seemed so far away. Wood decided to forego any more amateur competition and turned pro with the Ice Capades.
    That was still the true amateur era of Olympic sports (in the West, at least). Training cost money, and there was money to be made by turning professional.

    Also, staying amateur meant committing to many hours of training figures. If you follow the first link in skatesindreams' post upthread, you'll see he was spending four hours a day doing figures before the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    I agree with Button's comment that Tim's skating needed more variety of tempo. Tim skated with the same fast speed for the entire 5 minutes regardless if the music playing was slow or fast. It's interesting that he only attempted one triple. Did the men back in those days only do a 1 triple max program? Who was the first man to do multiple triples in a LP ?
    Tim did do triple toe loop as well in 1969 and 1970 Worlds. Petkevich could do sal, loop, toe and apparently lutz but never did it in competition. He planned it at Worlds in 1970 but doubled. He usually stuck with sal and loop and usually botched one or the other. He was still incredible though. Even Nepela had a consistent sal and toe. I think the real race for triples started in the early 1970s with skaters like Kubika who was the first afaik who landed four different triples in a LP (1974 US Nationals). Ronnie Shaver, Gordie McKellen and Jan Hoffmann had 3 different triples in their LP's in the 1972 - 76 quad (including triple lutz for Hoffmann which he landed in 1974). McKellen also tried triple axel at the 1974 Worlds. Curry and Cranston had sal and loop and both added the toeloop for the 1976 season. After that Minoru Sano landed 5 triples at the 1977 Worlds, Taylor had all 6 triples (including his wonky 3x at 1978 and 1979 Worlds) but never really landed all of them consistently in the same program and Hoffmann stayed in and had 4 triples excluding flip but even then you could get by on sal, loop and toe (see Cousins 1980). I think it was the changing of the guard in 1980 that ushered in the lutz era and by 1983 Worlds most of the guys were doing triples through lutz. Orser and Boitano changed all that again after Hamilton retired and by 1988 triple axel was a must and the quads had started.

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    Before the 80s guys were really discouraged from doing a lot of triples. Button is famous for pulling off the first ever and at an Olympics, but legend has it that the judges advised him not to risk it. A lot of the "pioneers" who did land them often ended up way down in the standings and top skaters like David Jenkins who could land a beauty of a 3x never dared include them in competition. Figures were king and it wasn't until 1984 that the habit of each oly champ landing harder and harder jump content took off. Casey Edwards would have had an absolute breakdownback in the 50s 60s 70s

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    The USFSA discouraged men from doing triples as being too flamboyant - only appropriate for "shows"/exhibitions.
    David Jenkins has talked about how he became an "outcast" in the sport for many years.
    Listen to his interview in Manleywoman's skatecasts.

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    Allison's podcast with rob Paul also confirmed that he did indeed coach Peggy as well as choreograph.

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