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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnice View Post
    I don´t think it will happen already this year. But the dates of Finlandia Trophy 2012 will be 5.-7.10., so start to plan and welcome to Finland! The weather can be tolerable in that season.
    Thanks for the dates and the welcome! I had been curious about what the dates were going to be. Good to know not to get my hopes up for a GP, but I'd be interested in going anyway.

    And luckily I am from a very cold part of Canada, so I'm not going to be too worried about the weather whatever it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkaterDon View Post
    TEB attendance looked very good this year and the reason was that unsold tickets went on sale several weeks before the event at 1/2 price according to MarieM.

    Maybe the decision to make fewer and fewer fans pay more for events isn't working.
    Sure, it helps to sell the places to prices everyone can afford !
    Because Nice sure isn't full as of yet. With "thoses" prices, why would they be amazed it's not ?

    As for Finlandia Trophy, I hope it's an extra GP as well as Korea. Because there was less places for unknown skaters to perform this year !!!
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    Has anyone heard anything recently about this? I'm wondering if this is something Speedy Gonzales is still considering?

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    "all you need to do is upgrade the finland, possible nebelhorn also, keep the dates in end of september beginning of october, and moved the other gp events up-like teb(if france don't want give to korea and upgrade Coupe de NIce was once a what we would call a gp event now. move up teb, skate canada, nhk, rostelcom up, cup of china, let skate america stand or keep events in october."


    Not so simple. TV scheduling has a major impact on when the events are held. GP's are primarily self-financed.
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    Where on the calendar would they put them? This year the 6 events go Oct 18 to Nov 22 (start dates), then a weekend off before the final starts Dec 5. I can't really see holding the first event at the beginning of October, or taking out the gap week between the last event and the Finals, and pushing the Finals back interferes with some countries' Nationals. I guess they could start doubling up some weekends with two events.

    I think perhaps it might make more sense to start by rotating Bombard among European countries. Didn't we hear a year or two ago that Italy was also interested in getting a GP event?

    IMO adding an event for South Korea has probably not been real well thought out as a long-term plan. Do events there sell well if Kim is not skating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan M View Post
    I think perhaps it might make more sense to start by rotating Bombard among European countries. Didn't we hear a year or two ago that Italy was also interested in getting a GP event?
    Why rotate TEB, of all the GPs? Some of the other GP events have had a tougher time in term of popularity with the skaters and the audiences; Bercy is a pretty big venue, so it doesn't look full most of the time, but it's a fairly well-attended event with (I think) a sponsorship deal in place. You could instead rotate CoC between China and S. Korea (or Kazakhstan?), or only have one event in North America every year. Or start the GP season one week earlier - in 2009 the calendar was such that there were three GPs in October, and nobody seemed to mind.

    I may be wrong, but I think that the Finnish federation has expressed interest in turning Finlandia into a GP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemgirl View Post
    Why rotate TEB, of all the GPs? Some of the other GP events have had a tougher time in term of popularity with the skaters and the audiences; Bercy is a pretty big venue, so it doesn't look full most of the time, but it's a fairly well-attended event with (I think) a sponsorship deal in place.
    There was a rumor on the sponsorship of TEB, that they were not sure if the deal could continue for future events.

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    What do you guys think of maybe changing the way skaters qualify to the GPF? Maybe instead of doing it by highest placed skaters in two GP events, what they should do is do it by the highest 6 or maybe even 12 scored skaters throughout the GP events. That way we can solve the problem of a skater suffering from a more stacked event compared to another skater who qualifies because the competition isn't as stringent for their events. I know we run with a problem of different judging panels/callers being more lenient or strict, but isn't the spirit of COP all about ensuring skaters have more or less the comparable scores for the similar skates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemgirl View Post
    I may be wrong, but I think that the Finnish federation has expressed interest in turning Finlandia into a GP.
    No, you are right. That is wat FFSA wants and hopes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VIETgrlTerifa View Post
    What do you guys think of maybe changing the way skaters qualify to the GPF? Maybe instead of doing it by highest placed skaters in two GP events, what they should do is do it by the highest 6 or maybe even 12 scored skaters throughout the GP events. That way we can solve the problem of a skater suffering from a more stacked event compared to another skater who qualifies because the competition isn't as stringent for their events. I know we run with a problem of different judging panels/callers being more leniency or strict, but isn't the spirit of GP all about ensuring skaters have more or less the comparable scores for the similar skates?
    It may be the spirit, but in practice there is a lot of variance between panels and events, and I just don't see how it would be fair to skaters facing more stringent panels. Perhaps this should be the first tie-breaker, though, rather than highest placement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemgirl View Post
    Why rotate TEB, of all the GPs? Some of the other GP events have had a tougher time in term of popularity with the skaters and the audiences; Bercy is a pretty big venue, so it doesn't look full most of the time, but it's a fairly well-attended event with (I think) a sponsorship deal in place. You could instead rotate CoC between China and S. Korea (or Kazakhstan?), or only have one event in North America every year. Or start the GP season one week earlier - in 2009 the calendar was such that there were three GPs in October, and nobody seemed to mind.

    I may be wrong, but I think that the Finnish federation has expressed interest in turning Finlandia into a GP.
    Rotating the events is very difficult for the organizer. It is hard to find sponsorship money these days and very hard if the event is not a regular event each year. Plus we don't know what the TV companies are paying the ISU for the broadcast rights to the events outside of the country of the event. So I don't know but it could be that rotating the events would cause problems with TV contracts and maybe even ISU sponorship. Regardless, I'm sure that its not a simple solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nmsis View Post
    I think the FFSG would try to minimize the temporary downscale of the TEB.
    The Charlemagne rink has 4200 seats compared to Marseille's 5600, (Montpellier 's arena has between 9000 and 10 000).

    Lyon doesn't have an arena and I don't see the FFSG trying to go the Nice road for the TEB (ie entirely converting an "inadapted" hall into an arena)
    Villeurbanne (Lyon's siamese twin city) is planning to build one (or rather Tony Parker wants his city and original club to have one) but it won't be finished before 2015.
    what was the venue used by Lyon when they hosted GPF in 2000? was it the same venue used as Worlds 1971?

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    wow, this is the first time I've read this thread. I really, really hope they don't make TEB an alternate. If anything, I would rotate CoR. I know it would never happen, but let's face it: from most European countries it is way easier to get to Paris than to Moscow. Or to Finland for that matter.

    TEB is awesome, because it's so approachable. I mean, there are flights to Paris from everywhere. Plus, it's always worth going to, for Paris alone. You can go enjoy the city in the morning and enjoy the skating in the afternoon/evening.

    But Paris aside, why Finland? Why not do a GP event in some cool European capital, like Rome? I know, a girl can dream. But Prague? Or Berlin, there's way too little major skating events happening in Germany. Or Warsaw? The organization of the 2007 Europeans was top class. Or Zagreb, so that everyone can afford it, as Zagreb is always so cheap, unlike Finland.
    Yes, I know, money. But seriously, I could come up with so many great places to organize a GP event in that are not Finland.

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    I agree. Why does Italy not have a GP event? They are much more competitive overall then Finland is in skating. Other then the Finnish women they never have competitive skaters among the Pairs, Ice Dancers or men.

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    Host federations currently have to cover all the costs (including travel) of the invited GP skaters and judges. ETA relevant excerpt from the 2012-12 GP Announcement:
    7.5. Expenses
    The Organizing Member will pay travel expenses based on economy airfare rate for all Competitors invited to its ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating event, for all Judges invited, from their domicile to the event and return. The travel expenses of the Referees, Technical Controllers, Technical Specialists and the Data & Replay Operators are covered by the ISU.
    Skaters/Judges, who wish to purchase their air tickets directly or made other individual travel arrangements must first have a confirmation from the Organizing Committee concerning the acceptance of the travel costs. For the Technical Panel, these should have the confirmation of the ISU before purchasing their tickets.
    The Organizing Member will pay accommodation and meal expenses for all Competitors, Judges, Referees, Technical Specialists, Technical Controllers and Data & Replay Operators from dinner on the day preceding the first official practice through breakfast on the day after the Exhibition. This period may be extended due to individual flight arrangements.
    If a skater/couple (seeded or non-seeded) does not finish an event, that skater/couple’s Member is obligated to cover the expenses for travel, accommodation and meals for the skater/couple and for the Judge (if applicable), if the Judge is not working in another panel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finnice View Post
    Today, the Finnish Figure Skating federation announced that Finlandia Trophy will be moved from Valtti Areena, Vantaa, to Barona Areena, Tapiola (Espoo). Ms. Susanna Rahkamo, the president of FFSA, told also that they aim toi get Grand Prix status to Finlandia Trophy. When asked if it means that some of teh current countries would lose their GP, Ms. Rahkamo answered that ISU and Mr. Cinquanta are planning to add one or two GP events, and they offer to possiblity to Finland and (South) Korea.

    Ms. Rahkamo also said that there might be a possibility that Finland and France would host the GP event in every second year.

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    Korea have good ice rink to have GpS?
    I heard there are even no ice rink which is only for figure skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia joy View Post
    But Paris aside, why Finland? Why not do a GP event in some cool European capital, like Rome? I know, a girl can dream. But Prague? Or Berlin, there's way too little major skating events happening in Germany. Or Warsaw? The organization of the 2007 Europeans was top class. Or Zagreb, so that everyone can afford it, as Zagreb is always so cheap, unlike Finland.
    Yes, I know, money. But seriously, I could come up with so many great places to organize a GP event in that are not Finland.
    Because the Finnish federation wants to organise it and the other federations don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    Korea have good ice rink to have GpS?
    I heard there are even no ice rink which is only for figure skating.
    You can hold a GP in any arena where an ice surface can be laid out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Susan M View Post
    I think perhaps it might make more sense to start by rotating Bombard among European countries. Didn't we hear a year or two ago that Italy was also interested in getting a GP event?
    Actually that would not make sense at all. "Bompard" cannot be rotated among European countries, because Eric Bompard is a French sponsor. The past and present main sponsors of the French GP come from luxury industries (crystal and cachmere) who want to be associated with the glamour of Paris. A glamorous sport in a glamorous city. Good luck for finding another type of sponsor that will give this kind of money to a figure skating GP elsewhere.

    TEB is held in one of the best venues of Europe, with the official hotel right beside the arena. Bercy would have been the Olympic gymnastics venue, had Paris obtained the 2012 Olympics. Unlike in many venues in Europe, the second warm-up rink is not a make-shift rink and not in another building, plus again unlike many other European venues you don't risk frost bite beside the rink.

    A dingy arena somewhere else just wouldn't be the same, neither for the skaters, nor for the fans, nor for the visibility and prestige of the sponsors and especially not for me!

    Finlandia Trophy has been a very high standard competition for many years now. It totally deserves GP status, if that is what the Finnish Fed prefers. However that shouldn't take anything away from the French GP, which has a long tradition starting with the Lalique Trophy which was held even before the GP circuit started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy View Post
    You can hold a GP in any arena where an ice surface can be laid out.
    But they have problems about fundamental conditions such like arena's heating, or ice quality. Have you seen kim's national this year? even cold steam was coming out of her mouth. there are never such a thing in japan, canada, america, russia which have GP event. It's not a good idea that S.Korea hold GP event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    But they have problems about fundamental conditions such like arena's heating, or ice quality. Have you seen kim's national this year? even cold breath comeout from her mouth. there are never such a thing in japan, canada, america, russia which have GP event. It's not a good idea which S.Korea hold GP event.
    Nationals is one thing, an ISU event is something completely different. A lot of ISU events aren't held in ice rinks (because usually they don't have enough seating and are too cold) but in arenas that get ice laid out specifically for the event.

    South Korea did hold Four Continents four times and I don't remember there being any problems.

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