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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    Hmmm.

    Chan good day: falls once. Sometimes lands everything and skates clean.

    Chan bad day: Falls three times including on simple forward stroking.

    Plushenko good day: Lands everything and skates clean.

    Plushenko bad day: Lands everything and skates clean.


    No point having "glorious deep edges" if you can't stay upright on them. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    And no point in having transitions in your program because they just waste time in between jumps. Just saying.
    And no point in having transitions between falls. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    Hmmm.

    Chan good day: falls once. Sometimes lands everything and skates clean.

    Chan bad day: Falls three times including on simple forward stroking.

    Plushenko good day: Lands everything and skates clean.

    Plushenko bad day: Lands everything and skates clean.


    No point having "glorious deep edges" if you can't stay upright on them. Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    I'm quite surprised this thread hasn't turned into a new fight over who should have won the gold in Vancouver. But it's never too late.
    The horse has long died , RIP...

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    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    Beverly Smith has been covering figure skating for more than 20 years, mostly for the Globe and Mail newspaper in Toronto. And unlike a lot of writers who are assigned to write stories about figure skating, she has taken the time to learn about the sport and to treat it seriously.
    20 years or not, everything I've ever read by the woman suggests she is a hack.
    To think that fun is simple fun, while earnest things are earnest, proves all too plain that neither one thou truthfully discernest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allezfred View Post
    20 years or not, everything I've ever read by the woman suggests she is a hack.
    A goodly number of regular newspaper columnists become hacks, especially when you have to make stuff up or stretch the truth to write the column/fill in the space. Phil Hersch is quite the hack himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    His scores are not going to show that his programmes are empty.
    You still don´t believe in the power of magical glasses? Time to buy some, Jaana!!!


    Wait a minute, I believe I´ve missed the point of this article, is Chan competing at Euros??????

    More showdowns!!!!!
    Evgeni Plushenko Cleared For Europeans, First Step To Olympic Showdown With Lysacek.
    http://dailyhouse.com/2012/01/04/evg...-with-lysacek/

    Quote Originally Posted by senorita View Post
    So if Plushenko wins any medal he joins Salchow and Schafer and Joubert?
    This is the whole Jurassic Park!
    Oh, no!!! I can´t be that old!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Japanfan View Post
    A goodly number of regular newspaper columnists become hacks, especially when you have to make stuff up or stretch the truth to write the column/fill in the space. Phil Hersch is quite the hack himself.
    Beverley Smith vs Phil Hersh: Get Ready for a Hack Showdown.
    To think that fun is simple fun, while earnest things are earnest, proves all too plain that neither one thou truthfully discernest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskarne View Post
    Plushenko bad day: Lands everything and skates clean.
    Hmmmm, what was that ? A very very very bad day ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    Hmmmm, what was that ? A very very very bad day ?
    That's most likely because he included more transitions in his program than usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    That's most likely because he included more transitions in his program than usual.
    You mean like two brackets and a spread eagle?
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    Being at Sochi is a dream and one that I doubt will come true for Plush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    You still don´t believe in the power of magical glasses? Time to buy some, Jaana!!!
    Hey, you should never leave home without them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    That's most likely because he included more transitions in his program than usual.
    I saw jumps that weren't landed, falls, flailing of arms, 3 stoppages in a short period of time, a good looking three jump, more flailing of arms ...
    and then I got bored.
    Transitions - meh. If those are what passed for transitions back then, it certainly won't pass for them now compared to the crop of skaters we have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    Hmmmm, what was that ? A very very very bad day ?
    From 2004?

    I think he was tired from the night before babysitting some of the younger skaters he's now beating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMadame View Post
    I find it amusing after reading about how inflated Chan's scores are all season, I'm now reading how he's a wonderful skater, much better than Plushy, and Plushy is the one with inflated scores and that's the only way he'll beat Chan.

    (I do realize it's probably not the same people saying these things about Chan, but it still amuses me.)
    The scores for Chan, Plushenko, Takahashi, Brezina, Joubert, Abbott, Gachinski, Kozuka, Fernandez and Amodio are all inflated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senorita View Post
    The horse has long died , RIP...
    Umm...NO. Horse 471 is on life support and is in a safe, secure, contained location.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrey aka Pushkin View Post
    You mean like two brackets and a spread eagle?
    Oh, I missed the two brackets, I only saw the spread eagle, so he has even more transitions than I thought. lolol

    I remember reading a Lambiel interview where Lambiel quotes Mishin as advising him - when they were working together - not to move too much between technical elements because he would so lose his stability on the jumps. If other skaters took out some of their transitions, maybe it would be easier for them to jump. I for one wouldn't ignore Mishin's advice as he really seems to know everything about jumps in figure skating.

    Quote Originally Posted by professordeb View Post
    Transitions - meh. If those are what passed for transitions back then, it certainly won't pass for them now compared to the crop of skaters we have now.
    However, this audience here seems to be enjoying the skating of back then.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...QN4L_ko#t=212s

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post

    However, this audience here seems to be enjoying the skating of back then.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...QN4L_ko#t=212s
    and gloves, mullets and hip thrusts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by briancoogaert View Post
    Hmmmm, what was that ? A very very very bad day ?
    Bad hair day. Isnt it amazing you can find one ? The other hightlight would be worlds 2000 lp. Before 2000 he had some more, worlds 1998 lp comes to mind. SLC sp also. And worlds 2005 sp.And maybe 2004 worlds lp, he fell on loop.
    Some skaters have this number in a single season!

    Lambiel about Plush and Arthur
    Last edited by senorita; 01-18-2012 at 05:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VarBar View Post
    However, this audience here seems to be enjoying the skating of back then.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...QN4L_ko#t=212s
    I was there...never a Yagudin fan but that skate was amazing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by professordeb View Post
    As far as the exception being given just for Euros, the article seems to say more.
    Quote Originally Posted by overedge View Post
    Beverly Smith has been covering figure skating for more than 20 years, mostly for the Globe and Mail newspaper in Toronto. And unlike a lot of writers who are assigned to write stories about figure skating, she has taken the time to learn about the sport and to treat it seriously.
    She didn't bother to read the paragraph-long announcement by the ISU granting Plushenko an exception for Euros and specifically pointing out that it didn't apply to Worlds.
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