Page 1 of 51 12311 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 1005
  1. #1

    Join Date
    May 2002
    Posts
    29,690
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    43479

    US Ladies [#3]: 2011-12 news, musings & everything else

    Starting this new thread now as our US Ladies general thread #2 is almost at 1000 posts.

    Carrying over the 2012 Junior World team/potential ladies discussion from the previous thread...
    Quote Originally Posted by toddlj View Post
    I would guess it will be three of the following six:
    Gold, Keiser, Lam, Zawadski, Gao, Siraj with Wang as possible wildcard.

    I think even with one year on the senior GP, Zawadski and Gao would still be sent to Jr Worlds if they are near the top and don't get sent to Sr Worlds.
    This was Zawadzki's 2nd year on the Senior Grand Prix. Four Continents would be a great opportunity for her if she places high enough at Nationals.

    With no previous international experience, Keiser would have to skate really well and place ahead of most of the seniors listed above in order to have an opportunity to go to Belarus, IMO. She is an obvious candidate for a spring developmental international assignment if USFS sends a team this year.
    Last edited by Sylvia; 01-11-2012 at 06:37 PM.

  2. #2
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    3,922
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    This was Zawadzki's 2nd year on the Senior Grand Prix. Four Continents would be a great opportunity for her if she places high enough at Nationals.
    She'd have to be 3rd, right? Because they seem to end up sending the A-team to 4CCs in recent years. Especially since it's in the US this year, I can't imagine the world team isn't being sent there as well (as well as a 3rd skater of course).

  3. #3
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Posts
    1,997
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Who going to Junior Olympics btw? We do have 2 spots for it right?

  4. #4

    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    1,084
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    This was Zawadzki's 2nd year on the Senior Grand Prix. Four Continents would be a great opportunity for her if she places high enough at Nationals.

    With no previous international experience, Keiser would have to skate really well and place ahead of most of the seniors listed above in order to have an opportunity to go to Belarus, IMO. She is an obvious candidate for a spring developmental international assignment if USFS sends a team this year.
    Good points. Here's why I left both of them on my short list.

    Agreed that Zawadzki would be better sent to 4CC, but if Zawadzki finishes 4th again this year, and is shut out of World's and 4cc's, it wouldn't suprise me to see her sent again to Jr Worlds. Wagner was assigned in 2010 in a similar situation, right?

    Agreed about Kaiser, she will have to skate an amazing set of programs, but wasn't the same also true for Zawadzki and Hicks the first time they were sent to worlds? IIRC, they had no International experience prior to that. So it's not an impossibility.

  5. #5

    Join Date
    May 2002
    Posts
    29,690
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    43479
    Quote Originally Posted by smarts1 View Post
    Who going to Junior Olympics btw? We do have 2 spots for it right?
    Jordan Bauth is the 1 US lady being sent - her assignment was previously and extensively discussed in this general Youth Olympics thread in GSD (starting with post #137): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/show...t=78858&page=7

  6. #6

    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Posts
    444
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    55
    Quote Originally Posted by toddlj View Post
    Agreed about Kaiser, she will have to skate an amazing set of programs, but wasn't the same also true for Zawadski and Hicks the first time they were sent to worlds? IIRC, they had no International experience prior to that. So it's not an impossibility.
    I think the difference between Zawadski/Hicks and Keiser is the former two competed and won in Jr level at Nationals, but Keiser is cometing in Sr level. For Kesier to stand out among senior ladies and impress USFSA, she has to skate REALLY well, IMO.

  7. #7

    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    1,084
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by ChibiChibi View Post
    I think the difference between Zawadski/Hicks and Keiser is the former two competed and won in Jr level at Nationals, but Keiser is cometing in Sr level. For Kesier to stand out among senior ladies and impress USFSA, she has to skate REALLY well, IMO.
    Right. Lots of arguments either way for whether Keiser should have skated junior this year. In seniors, it may be hard to make a mark. Of course, in Juniors she'd have Gold to contend with, among others.

  8. #8
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Somewhere, beyond the sea...
    Posts
    1,885
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    I really hope the junior skaters get to go to junior worlds. If you've been competing on the senior GP for two years, you shouldn't get the option to go junior worlds.
    I don't think Zawadski or Gao should be eligible and if they are, I hope the USFSA gives those spots to girls from the junior pool of skaters...they need the experience on the international level.

  9. #9

    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Age
    42
    Posts
    8,596
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    2418
    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    I really hope the junior skaters get to go to junior worlds. If you've been competing on the senior GP for two years, you shouldn't get the option to go junior worlds.
    I don't think Zawadski or Gao should be eligible and if they are, I hope the USFSA gives those spots to girls from the junior pool of skaters...they need the experience on the international level.
    Junior is an AGE group. It makes sense to me that anyone who is eligible can compete.

    In terms of Keiser, I don't think that she will have to score a ton higher than other eligible ladies. She will just have to be at the top of the heap. I would guess that a top 10 finish would put her in the hunt depending on who opts for 4CCs. They don't typically take the entire year's record into account-- the skaters who perform and place well at Nationals get the assignments. My bet is for a 4CCs team of Zawadzki, Gao, and whoever of the top ladies doesn't get Worlds (Flatt, Czisny, Wagner, or Nagasu), and Junior Worlds will be Gold, Lam, and Keiser. I honestly think that Keiser has a good shot at a medal in San Jose-- it's a good year to start thinking about the next generation.

  10. #10
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Posts
    11,026
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    I had a dream about Nationals last night. I hope I do not have any sort of pre-cognition. While the dream was good news for Alissa, it was bad news for Mirai (and I'm hoping this year is her year, with Alissa in 2nd).

    Mirai changed her costume and gave interviews about her edgy new program. Then, on her final combo spin, she caught the edge of her dress under the blade in the foot change, and fell wacking her head. (I think she was okay though.) If she shows up at nationals in a flowing red dress, best advert your eyes. Or break into the locker room and cut the skirt shorter.
    Last edited by Skittl1321; 01-11-2012 at 11:36 PM.

  11. #11

    Join Date
    May 2002
    Posts
    29,690
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    43479
    There's a separate thread about Alissa Czisny's pre-Nationals media teleconference yesterday in GSD: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?t=81992

    I believe Mirai Nagasu's teleconference is scheduled for later today.

  12. #12

    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Top Secret FSU Witness Protection Location
    Age
    32
    Posts
    20,724
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    35872
    I don't mind skaters going to Jr. Worlds who have been competing senior. I do, however, think that the winner of Juniors at Nationals should get an automatic spot on the World team. Didn't it recently occur that the winner didn't get assigned? I think that is wrong. However, the other spot or two should be open to the two best eligible athletes, just like any other assignment is done. If you stick to only naming those who skated in the Jr competition then you discourage skaters from skating on the senior level at Nationals and that is a big experience gainer for them. You have to also remember that those medalling in Juniors are often skating there for the first time while those competing senior have been there before and are just trying to move up in the skating world. They shouldn't be punished for not staying behind and for trying to improve and gain experience.
    -Brian
    "Michelle would never be caught with sausage grease staining her Vera Wang." - rfisher

  13. #13

    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Deep in a Dream
    Posts
    7,572
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    20067
    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    ... Didn't it recently occur that the winner didn't get assigned? ...
    Alexe Gilles, 2008.
    My job requires me to be a juggler, but that does not mean that I enjoy working with clowns.

  14. #14
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Posts
    11,026
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by BigB08822 View Post
    I don't mind skaters going to Jr. Worlds who have been competing senior.
    I don't mind Jr World's going to skaters who compete as US seniors, but I think that if you skate on the Senior Grand Prix, if you are age-eligible for regular World's you shouldn't be allowed to go to Jr. World's.

    I don't think the US designation of Jr vs Sr means anything in terms of the designation of Junior Worlds- the word junior means two different things.
    But senior grand prix vs. junior grand prix is the ISU designation of jr. And once you are an international senior, you shouldn't get to go back down, unless you are too young to go to senior worlds. (But I have never understood why the age restriction only applies to some events.)

  15. #15

    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Age
    53
    Posts
    10,473
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    21476
    When people say in this thread they want to see certain rules or guidelines about who gets sent to Junior Worlds based on what level the skater competes at Nationals or in fall competitions, are those wishes specific to the US ladies because that's the topic of this thread, or more generalized?

    E.g., should the rules/guidelines be different for the boys than for the girls because boys are usually at a different point in their careers at ages 15-18?

    Should rules/guidelines be different in other countries where there may be only one or two world-class ladies in that age group?

  16. #16

    Join Date
    May 2002
    Posts
    29,690
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    43479
    These are the ladies since 2000 who were assigned to Junior Worlds after they won the U.S junior ladies title and/or medaled:
    2011: Courtney Hicks
    2010: Agnes Zawadzki
    2007: Mirai Nagasu, Caroline Zhang, Ashley Wagner (Rachael Flatt was 5th in her Senior debut but had no JGP experience yet due to her Sept. 2006 JGP injury withdrawal)
    [2006: Megan Hyatt (jr champ) was named 1st alternate and ended up replacing Katy Taylor at JW]
    2004: Kimmie Meissner, Katy Taylor
    2002: Louann Donovan

    ETA: Now that the maximum number of JGP singles slots depends on finishing among the top 3 countries at Junior Worlds, USFS' primary goal (still) is to select the strongest overall JW team in order to maximize their medal chances. Until/unless the ISU changes the eligibility rules for Junior Worlds, countries are unlikely to change their respective selection processes.
    Last edited by Sylvia; 01-12-2012 at 05:25 PM.

  17. #17

    Join Date
    May 2002
    Posts
    29,690
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    43479
    LynnRutherford tweeted:
    MNagasu teleconf: she is working with RArutunian in addition to FCarroll & GBarinova; skates at 4+ rinks.Focus is on artistry not 3/3 combos

  18. #18
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Age
    36
    Posts
    469
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    LynnRutherford tweeted:
    Seems like it would be very hectic to practice at 4 different rinks but maybe it works for her. Odd that she isn't focussing on a 3/3 but I suppose many are opting for the 2a-3t in the long program and she's capable of scoring high in the short with her current jump content.

  19. #19
    Spin Alissa Spin!!!
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Pennsylvania, USA
    Age
    52
    Posts
    3,664
    vCash
    565
    Rep Power
    9472
    Thank You for the new US Ladies thread Sylvia!!!! They get to 1000 posts quick.

  20. #20

    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Posts
    7,595
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    1913
    It sounds like both Nagasu and Czisny are backing away from the 3/3. It probably isn't needed this season, but IMO it's the perfect time to get it out there and work the kinks out heading into Sochi. Shame. Here's hoping Wagner goes for it.

Page 1 of 51 12311 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •