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    Still has quad and 3A ability!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lavergne100 View Post
    EP is one of my favorite male skaters. I love the artistry of Weir, but also love the absolute total confidence of EP's skating. Quad, triple, double combos are extremely underrated. He's an unreal athlete and such a charismatic skater on the ice...PS: I liked Dick Button as a commentator. Why isn't he on tv anymore? (It seems like I only hear him at the Olympics or something...??)
    I miss Dick Button commentating too, he used to commentate when abc/espn had figure skating but they no longer have figure skating on those channels for major events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doubletoe View Post
    If the tech specialist gave Plushy credit for the two jumps he did after landing the 3Lz, doing a LFO 3-turn, then putting the right foot down, I am going to personally go to Russia and strangle him/her.
    You can put away your passport. That jumping pass was assessed as a 3L+SEQ and received almost all -2 GOE from the judges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VALuvsMKwan View Post
    Like a dog that can lick its own privates?
    Nah, groping and licking are two different things. The dog would have to be much more limber...
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    Good for him. Like him or not, trying for *another* comeback, complete with quads and what is still a fab 3 axel, is ballsy.

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    I loved those golden years of Russian men skating - strong, athletic, expressive and artistic. Not to mention Honda, Stojko, Candeloro who had such striking personalities as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BittyBug View Post

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    IMO, Program Component Score of 93.66 (from a low of 9.0 to a high of 9.75) was a 'little' high.

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    His transition score is too high, haha.
    But he's still amaaaazing! Still one of the best 3As! Great performer, great confidence.

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    Plushy in 2012 reminds of Kwan in 2005. It's just same old same old and judges may get tired of his transition-less skating.

    I'm hoping the international judges will give him a rude awakening with fair PCS marks (mostly 7's for SS/PE/CH/IN with 6's in Transition), much like what Kwan got in 2005.

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    Programs look rough although he might have added a transition (or two) since Vancouver, his marks were not connected to international reality but his levels look decent , he looks happy , I m not thrilled with the music choices but how can someone have a surgery and throw after some months that 3axel in sp is beyond my comprehension.
    And of course he keeps skating while platinum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shuilee View Post
    I'm hoping the international judges will give him a rude awakening with fair PCS marks (mostly 7's for SS/PE/CH/IN with 6's in Transition), much like what Kwan got in 2005.
    Have you read the criteria for PCS? The only category in which Plushenko should receive anything less than 8's or 9's is Transitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BittyBug View Post
    Have you read the criteria for PCS? The only category in which Plushenko should receive anything less than 8's or 9's is Transitions.
    What? Did YOU read the criteria?

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    It's amazing that Plushy still can do solid quads and 3A. That's at least an 11 years span and he still has those jumps. His programs still have too much posing and lack enough transitions though; He'll lose in that portion against Chan and Evan.

    I think he should leave out the catch-foot camel. He just doesn't have the flexibility to make that move look good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayar View Post
    What? Did YOU read the criteria?
    Ok, then please explain to me how, based on the stated criteria, you think that Plushenko deserves 7's or less for SS, PE, and IN.
    "I miss footwork that has any kind of a discernible pattern. The goal of a step sequence should not be for a skater to show the same ice coverage as a Zamboni and take about as much time as an ice resurface. " ~ Zemgirl, reflecting on a pre-IJS straight line sequence

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    Regardless of what his score was (it's nationals at any rate) he deserved to win!

    I'm very happy for him and his fans!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BittyBug View Post
    Have you read the criteria for PCS? The only category in which Plushenko should receive anything less than 8's or 9's is Transitions.
    Based on the criteria:

    5 = Average
    6= Above Average
    7= Good
    8= Very Good
    9= Superior
    10= Outstanding

    Do you think that this free skate was more polished and better skated than Evengy's 2010 Olympic free skate? Evengy's PCS in his Olympic Free Skate was 82.80 (which is considered Very Good). Do you really think that this unpolished free skate deserved PCS scores that ranged from a low of 9.00 to a high of 9.75 (i.e. Superior)?

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    Please point me to the PCS in which "polished" is one of the criteria.

    This is what you get with IJS. There is really no measure of the overall impression of the program - the total is the sum of the parts. And based on the criteria for each program component, I really don't see how Plushenko should receive marks of anything less than 8's except for transitions.
    "I miss footwork that has any kind of a discernible pattern. The goal of a step sequence should not be for a skater to show the same ice coverage as a Zamboni and take about as much time as an ice resurface. " ~ Zemgirl, reflecting on a pre-IJS straight line sequence

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    It's amazing that Plushy still can do solid quads and 3A. That's at least an 11 years span and he still has those jumps. His programs still have too much posing and lack enough transitions though;

    I think he should leave out the catch-foot camel. He just doesn't have the flexibility to make that move look good.
    he doesnt have anymore the flexibility of Hanyu but at least he doesnt drop the leg from the camel to catch his foot like a bunch of ladies and most men do which is worse to watch.
    He'll lose in that portion against Chan and Evan.
    He would lose to Chan and some more I can think of, but at this point Plushenko has the edge over Evan, at least he showed up at his nationals.

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    BTW, haven't seen this year's RN yet, but according to the score, seems Plu may rob Authur's medal because of Russian Fed's preference if anyone can tell me did he rob it from authur?
    A poster in the RN thread said that she/he would have had Plushenko behind both Gachinski and Voronov (silver and bronze). Plush apparently lost to both in TES but won on PCS.

    I loved those golden years of Russian men skating - strong, athletic, expressive and artistic. Not to mention Honda, Stojko, Candeloro who had such striking personalities as well.
    Those were my favourite years for men as well, beginning with Urmanov and what I saw of Petrenko in retrospect.

    I fell in love with Plush when he skated his gypsy program at Worlds - and mucked up the jumps very badly as Mishin screamed. I loved his 'Carmen' as well, and he had a few other masterpieces. But the passion and excitement of his skating in the early part of his years waned when he became top man in the world. His 2006 Olympic title was a coronation - there was no competition - and his Godfather was skated in a cold, calculated manner - without passion and excitement.

    His performance in 2010 and now, at RN, certainly testify to his talent and competitive spirit. But he's certainly past his peak and no longer has the ability to "bamboozle the audience with his arms" (as said by Dick Button). His skating looked laboured and slow to me in comparison to his better day. And again, lacking in the passion and excitement. IMHO, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkateFan66 View Post
    Based on the criteria:

    5 = Average
    6= Above Average
    7= Good
    8= Very Good
    9= Superior
    10= Outstanding

    Do you think that this free skate was more polished and better skated than Evengy's 2010 Olympic free skate? Evengy's PCS in his Olympic Free Skate was 82.80 (which is considered Very Good). Do you really think that this unpolished free skate deserved PCS scores that ranged from a low of 9.00 to a high of 9.75 (i.e. Superior)?
    I think you are forgetting this is NOT the Olympics, this is Russian Nationals. The scores are ALWAYS a tad eschew.

    Are you debating his scores or the win?

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