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    What is this move called?

    Say,I wish I could post a pic. to help you all get an idea to what I'm talking about. But does anyone know what the move or Element is called when the Skate leans back?...Not the Layback. But when the Skater leans back with her body and Free-Leg both Horisontal to the ice. Like the body is kinda like a (T). I know it's done. As I've seen Rachael Flatt do it. Does anyone know what it's called? Thanks.

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    Is the skater spinning? Sounds like you're describing an inverted camel spin where the skater's face and upper body are facing the ceiling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    Is the skater spinning? Sounds like you're describing an inverted camel spin where the skater's face and upper body are facing the ceiling.
    Either that or some sort of a reverse spiral where they lay backwards as opposed to face down. I haven't seen anyone do that on ice since the early 80's though.
    I guess the hard thing for a lot of people to accept is why God would allow me to go running through their yards, yelling and spinning around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    Is the skater spinning? Sounds like you're describing an inverted camel spin where the skater's face and upper body are facing the ceiling.
    Good question?....It's hard to tell. As I've only seen still pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzisk8tr View Post
    Either that or some sort of a reverse spiral where they lay backwards as opposed to face down. I haven't seen anyone do that on ice since the early 80's though.
    Is there such a thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSWer View Post
    Is there such a thing?
    yeah, a skater named Patricia Mansfield used to do it. Her best skate came at 95 us nats where she placed in the top 6.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1LsqEZ3W3c

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSWer View Post
    Is there such a thing?
    Yes I saw a televised cheesefest in about 81 or 82 and I think it was Dianne someone who did it. Charlie Tickner was also in it (skating to some hideous "bump bump bumpity bump" song).
    Youtube link to both the inverted camel spin and the inverted spiral.
    Spin:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLYYD...eature=related

    Spiral: (Sorry it's a FB image, only one I could find doing the inverted spiral)
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
    I guess the hard thing for a lot of people to accept is why God would allow me to go running through their yards, yelling and spinning around.


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    If it is a spin, isn't it called a layover camel?

    There used to be an IJS document with photos of spin positions somewhere on the web, but I cannot find it right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by berthesghost View Post
    yeah, a skater named Patricia Mansfield used to do it. Her best skate came at 95 us nats where she placed in the top 6.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1LsqEZ3W3c
    I watched the video,and she didn't do what I'm thinking. The Skaters I've seen have kind of laid back like there lying on the back looking up at the celing,and at the same time,one Leg is up in the air, pointed straight accross,not up like in a Spiral,and the other Leg is down with the Blade on the ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabm7 View Post
    If it is a spin, isn't it called a layover camel?

    There used to be an IJS document with photos of spin positions somewhere on the web, but I cannot find it right now.
    There is a layover, and then there is an invert. With the invert you actually rotate right over on the skating hip so that both hips are facing upwards. The layover doesn't rotate quite as far in the skating hip and just finishes in an open position. Inverts are very rare on ice.
    I guess the hard thing for a lot of people to accept is why God would allow me to go running through their yards, yelling and spinning around.


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    Are you describing this?

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    I think you're thinking of a layover camel, because I remember seeing Rachael Flatt do one in one of the GP's this year.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQM16y6kC78 Skip to 0:38

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/05rWapS...=Rachael+Flatt

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    If it's what I'm thinking of.. Emanuel Sandhu did it in his 2006 lp. The one where he's wearing blue. :p

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    I was thinking more like the spin at 1:30: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3VV...tailpage#t=89s

    But that may be a variation on the same spin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianaqtpi View Post
    I think you're thinking of a layover camel, because I remember seeing Rachael Flatt do one in one of the GP's this year.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQM16y6kC78 Skip to 0:38

    http://www.daylife.com/photo/05rWapS...=Rachael+Flatt
    First one is a layover (at 0:38ish).
    I guess the hard thing for a lot of people to accept is why God would allow me to go running through their yards, yelling and spinning around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FSWer View Post
    I watched the video,and she didn't do what I'm thinking. The Skaters I've seen have kind of laid back like there lying on the back looking up at the celing,and at the same time,one Leg is up in the air, pointed straight accross,not up like in a Spiral,and the other Leg is down with the Blade on the ice.

    She (Patricia Mansfield) does it at approx 3:00 mark. I had not seen this move before. The commentator said it was like a death spiral, sort of (without a partner, obviously). She is not rotating though. It's very different from Rachael's inverted camel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by victoriaheidi View Post
    I was thinking more like the spin at 1:30: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3VV...tailpage#t=89s

    But that may be a variation on the same spin?
    Beautiful layover, still not a true invert though.
    Here is another roller one, look at the foot change as she goes from the back camel to the invert position there is almost a three turn that happens to get to the final edge. It's as the skating leg rotates completely in the hip socket as opposed to being just in an open position.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ0afrnJeao

    Here is the closest I've seen on ice from some unknown girl.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN_Q2...eature=related
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    Could that be the one that's one of Yuna's signature moves, layover (bent-leg) camel spin or Yuna spin?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VSUJu519uk
    http://blogfile.paran.com/BLOG_93496..._Spin_2008.jpg
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/queenyu...in/photostream

    Her upper body and face are totally facing the ceiling, arms are parallel with ice yet only her leg is bent. I think including positions mentioned above, Yuna's spins are the closest to the description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabm7 View Post
    If it is a spin, isn't it called a layover camel?

    There used to be an IJS document with photos of spin positions somewhere on the web, but I cannot find it right now.
    In ISU technical handbook, it's called Camel Upward. See page 7.
    http://www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/...-0-file,00.pdf

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