Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 22
  1. #1

    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Gwyneth Paltrow Fan Club headquarters
    Posts
    17,260
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    28790

    NYU Professor: I Got Fired for Giving James Franco a "D"

    I guess movie stars don't have to go to class like the rest of us...

    http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/12/1...o-nyu-lawsuit/
    You should never write words with numbers. Unless you're seven. Or your name is Prince. - "Weird Al" Yankovic, "Word Crimes"

  2. #2

    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    Top Secret FSU Witness Protection Location
    Age
    31
    Posts
    20,716
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    33350
    I find it amazing someone can attend a class only 2 or 3 times and expect to pass, let alone get a grade that is considered respectable. Does the school have an attendance policy? Some schools do not and some don't even allow the professors to take role and use it against the students. Of course, there are ways around that such as daily pop quizzes.
    -Brian
    "Michelle would never be caught with sausage grease staining her Vera Wang." - rfisher

  3. #3
    Port de bras!!!
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Ravenclaw
    Posts
    30,106
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    33169
    If an attendance policy exists, passing that class would be extremely problematic, to say the least. However, what evidence is there that the professor was fired for that reason?
    "Nature is a damp, inconvenient sort of place where birds and animals wander about uncooked."

    from Speedy Death

  4. #4
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    9,802
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Here's a Yale professor defending James after he heard about the 'D'. He does come off as somewhat starstuck in the article though.


    As for the professor that got fired, I can't imagine a school would fire him just because he gave a high-profiled student a D. It's not like Jame's grades were public knowledge, so who would have known about it.

  5. #5

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Seattle, WA
    Posts
    1,621
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    6312
    My university did not have attendance taking (except for attend and pass classes), and I had proffessors that were so bad that I studied on my own for that subject. If you are a good book learner, I don't see any reason you can't pass while not attending class. However, you still have to put in the hours .

    How someone can be fired over grading a single student is really the strange thing. If there really is nothing more to it, then I understand he sues.

  6. #6
    Port de bras!!!
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Ravenclaw
    Posts
    30,106
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    33169
    He'd better have a paper trail backing up the claim of firing over the D for Franco.
    "Nature is a damp, inconvenient sort of place where birds and animals wander about uncooked."

    from Speedy Death

  7. #7
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    23,859
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by orbitz View Post
    As for the professor that got fired, I can't imagine a school would fire him just because he gave a high-profiled student a D. It's not like Jame's grades were public knowledge, so who would have known about it.
    Franco publicly chastised the professor for giving him a bad grade. It was public knowledge because Franco made it that way.

    That said, if Franco complained internally about the grade, those in the department would have known, and that's all that would be necessary for the professor to receive retribution (assuming the allegations are accurate).

  8. #8
    Bountifully Enmeshed
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    At the Christmas Bizarre
    Posts
    38,153
    vCash
    250
    Rep Power
    46687
    Quote Originally Posted by maatTheViking View Post
    My university did not have attendance taking (except for attend and pass classes), and I had proffessors that were so bad that I studied on my own for that subject. If you are a good book learner, I don't see any reason you can't pass while not attending class.
    I think it depends on the subject. If the class is one that goes by the book, that's one thing. But if the class is one that requires a lot of hands-on work, student interaction or group work, that's another.

    I'd think Directing would be a hands-on class, but I don't know.

    The professor wasn't fired; he was denied reappointment, which means he was probably adjunct faculty. I can see that happening for giving James Franco a D. Adjuncts everywhere are leery of giving any student a poor grade, because grievances and grade challenges often lead to not being hired again.

    If I were the professor, however, I'd be worried about being sued myself. He's giving interviews in which he publicly discusses a student's grade.
    "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."-- Albert Einstein.

  9. #9

    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Colorado
    Posts
    5,961
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    6943
    I wonder if the professor has ever heard of FERPA? If not, I suspect he's about to get a lesson in it.

  10. #10

    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    24,950
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    91441
    At one time I was working as an adjunct faculty member. One of the graduate students skipped all but 2-3 classes. He did not submit the homework assignments or projects. He showed up for the final exam and turned in wrong answers. I had no choice but to give him F (very unusual in graduate school). I don't know what happened later; I suspect the regular faculty made some kind of arrangement to give him a B or a C (like take another exam afterwards).

    It was only a temporary appointment and I did not try to get a reappointment. It was too much work for very low financial gain. It was not worth my time.

  11. #11
    Port de bras!!!
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Ravenclaw
    Posts
    30,106
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    33169
    Quote Originally Posted by barbk View Post
    I wonder if the professor has ever heard of FERPA? If not, I suspect he's about to get a lesson in it.
    Is this like HIPAA but for students?

    So he wasn't fired, just denied reappointment. Isn't that at the discretion of the department?
    "Nature is a damp, inconvenient sort of place where birds and animals wander about uncooked."

    from Speedy Death

  12. #12
    Bountifully Enmeshed
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    At the Christmas Bizarre
    Posts
    38,153
    vCash
    250
    Rep Power
    46687
    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    Is this like HIPAA but for students?
    FERPA

    Quote Originally Posted by IceAlisa View Post
    So he wasn't fired, just denied reappointment. Isn't that at the discretion of the department?
    Pretty much.
    "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."-- Albert Einstein.

  13. #13

    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Prepping for Sochi!
    Posts
    5,303
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    33339
    The instructor clearly isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

  14. #14
    Port de bras!!!
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Ravenclaw
    Posts
    30,106
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    33169
    Thanks, Prancer. I wonder what this guy's deal is...
    "Nature is a damp, inconvenient sort of place where birds and animals wander about uncooked."

    from Speedy Death

  15. #15

    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    City of Blinding Light
    Posts
    15,904
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    12302
    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post

    I'd think Directing would be a hands-on class, but I don't know.
    It would be an extremely hands-on class.

    If I were the professor, however, I'd be worried about being sued myself. He's giving interviews in which he publicly discusses a student's grade.
    Quote Originally Posted by barbk View Post
    I wonder if the professor has ever heard of FERPA? If not, I suspect he's about to get a lesson in it.
    If it's true that it's the student that revealed the grade to the public first, can the professor get in trouble for saying what grade the student got? From what I've read, Franco told Showbiz411.com last year what grade he got in this class.
    Use Yah Blinkah!

  16. #16
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    23,859
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Yeah, Franco did a video interview last year where he said he got a D in this class. It's been posted on the internet. Not sure how that would get the professor in trouble. The info was only released as part of a court filing, and that's within the scope of FERPA.

    FWIW, there's more to the lawsuit than just this. There's supposedly a string of behaviors that are being contested. The professor in question wasn't just an instructor, but didn't have a regular contract either (visiting professor). He was also head of the department prior to this IIUC.

  17. #17
    Bountifully Enmeshed
    Join Date
    Apr 2001
    Location
    At the Christmas Bizarre
    Posts
    38,153
    vCash
    250
    Rep Power
    46687
    Quote Originally Posted by GarrAarghHrumph View Post
    If it's true that it's the student that revealed the grade to the public first, can the professor get in trouble for saying what grade the student got? From what I've read, Franco told Showbiz411.com last year what grade he got in this class.
    My understanding has always been that students are free to discuss their grades at will, but I can't talk about their grades with anyone not specified as an exception without express permission. We had a case several years ago where a student complained to a reporter about a certain grade; the professor who gave the grade was advised to say nothing publicly, regardless of the fact that the student had already revealed the grade.

    My understanding is that I am allowed to talk about attendance, so I could say that Franco had missed 12 out of 14 classes, but that's about it.
    "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."-- Albert Einstein.

  18. #18
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    23,859
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    0
    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    My understanding has always been that students are free to discuss their grades at will, but I can't talk about their grades with anyone not specified as an exception without express permission. We had a case several years ago where a student complained to a reporter about a certain grade; the professor who gave the grade was advised to say nothing publicly, regardless of the fact that the student had already revealed the grade.

    My understanding is that I am allowed to talk about attendance, so I could say that Franco had missed 12 out of 14 classes, but that's about it.
    I think the issue here is the info was contained in a court filing, and that filing is public record. That's within the scope of FERPA to be released without the consent of the student.


    ETA: One other thing--one of the main profs Santana cites in his complaint is the brother of Elizabeth Edwards.
    Last edited by agalisgv; 12-22-2011 at 02:26 AM.

  19. #19

    Join Date
    Sep 2002
    Posts
    13,492
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    41754
    A professor shouldn't discuss any student's grade without permission.

  20. #20

    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Seattle, WA
    Posts
    1,621
    vCash
    500
    Rep Power
    6312
    Quote Originally Posted by Prancer View Post
    I think it depends on the subject. If the class is one that goes by the book, that's one thing. But if the class is one that requires a lot of hands-on work, student interaction or group work, that's another.

    I'd think Directing would be a hands-on class, but I don't know.
    That is true, but I would expect the school to have clear policies? Eg. this is a hands on class and a certain lack of attendence will takie your grade down. In whivh case there would be clearly documented reasons why the grade was given... I have a feeling this about something else too...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •