Virtue/Moir Thread #13 (mach two): S'Wonderful

[sliver98]

D&W fans will whine even more when Tessa and Scott win worlds its already been decided at the highest levels Canada and France made a deal to ensure Gold for Tessa and Scott so that Pechalat and Bourzat get a medal it sucks for Weaver and Poje but that`s the way it is. France and Canada on the panel no US judge anywhere and just for safety two other Commonwealth judges including Hilary Selby from Britain huge booster of Tessa and Scott she was at the olympics plus Australia as well.

[euterpe]

D/W fans don't need to whine. All D/W have to do is get all Level4s in their FD and the deadlock will be broken.

[sliver98]

They won`t the tech specialist will make sure of that plus V&M will have a 1 point cushion with their superior SD i am telling you it has been decided that ISU press release for the calculation error was the first step to instruct the judges to vote the right way.

[~tapdancer~]

Who's whining? Have any of you even read the D/W thread? You guys are making drama where there isn't any. I can only speak for myself but this "calculation error" doesn't matter a bit to me...let the rivalry live on!

[euterpe]

They won`t the tech specialist will make sure of that plus V&M will have a 1 point cushion with their superior SD i am telling you it has been decided that ISU press release for the calculation error was the first step to instruct the judges to vote the right way.

If the only way V/M can regain their title is through their federation 'fixing' tech panels and judges, then the title is essentially worthless if is arranged ahead of time.

In any case, should that happen, D/W will not make faces, bitch to the press or sulk throughout the exhibition.

[sliver98]

Scott is not a sore loser he was telling the truth the FD was not judged correctly the judges are still giving D&W extra bonus points for the world title last year, but this is a new year they need to judge what they see on the ice.

[euterpe]

Scott is not a sore loser he was telling the truth the FD was not judged correctly the judges are still giving D&W extra bonus points for the world title last year, but this is a new year they need to judge what they see on the ice.

They did. Just because you don't agree with the result doesn't make it wrong.

Scott is a SKATER, not a judge. It's best to leave the judging to the judges and just focus on skating well. If Scott finds he just can't do that, and if he keeps publicly making statements implying that the judges are scoring incorrectly, some of them may retaliate by marking V/M down.

[Golightly]

All this fighting accomplishes nothing as both extremes won't seem to ever agree, so why don't we go back to discussing which improvements should Tessa and Scott make to their programs. I personally think that their dance is just fine as it is, but the judges might want to see something less subtle and with that in mind, they should try to add something that makes the program more judge-friendly. Yes, there, I said it. They'll have to.

[Shayii]

Who's whining? Have any of you even read the D/W thread? You guys are making drama where there isn't any. I can only speak for myself but this "calculation error" doesn't matter a bit to me...let the rivalry live on!

Don't take anything Sliver says seriously. And I (and I believe others as well) were not referring to the D/W thread when I said their were people that were blaming T/S for the ISU issuing a calculation error in the GPF FD; it was in another thread and more specifically another forum.

[sliver98]

The FD is fine the most technically difficult out there but if Judges are too stupid to follow or understand the story line than they are dumb they practically recreated flawlessly the entire movie in front of their eyes. Also losing 5 points for a fall made no sense i don`t recall the olympic champs grishuk and Platov getting marked down like that when Platov fell their fans pointed out they were still better than their competition even with the falls.
Also its not just Scott that complained even famous Ice dancer Zhulin could not understand the result and why V&M lost the fd.

[Golightly]

They didn't lose 5 points because he fell. Did you see the circular step sequence? It was really off. Look, I love Tessa and Scott, I think they are the best ice dance team out there and I have to admit that that SD was not their best effort. I mean, some objectivity doesn't hurt, does it? I just accept that and hope that come Worlds they don't make the same mistakes and have a great skate in both outings.

[Shayii]

They didn't lose 5 points because he fell. Did you see the circular step sequence? It was really off. Look, I love Tessa and Scott, I think they are the best ice dance team out there and I have to admit that that SD was not their best effort. I mean, some objectivity doesn't hurt, does it? I just accept that and hope that come Worlds they don't make the same mistakes and have a great skate in both outings.

Yea I agree with you. Do you like their SD in general though? At Finlandia I'm pretty sure I loved it or at least really really liked it, but ever seen then I don't feel the same way. My feelings on their FD changes often.

[Golightly]

Yea I agree with you. Do you like their SD in general though? At Finlandia I'm pretty sure I loved it or at least really really liked it, but ever seen then I don't feel the same way. My feelings on their FD changes often.

I am not too crazy about the SD, but I agree with you. At Finlandia it looked freer I think, albeit not as sharp as more recent outings. But, then again, I hate the SD as a concept, period. I feel it's too constrictive and skaters are limited by that silly rhumba choctaw that doesn't even look pretty. I like the choreography and I love how they move with the music, Tessa especially uses her arms and hips beautifully. My only real complaint about this SD is the short lift, it's kind of thrown in there to get a L4 and whatever. However, I don't know if you guys noticed but they tweaked the lift a little bit at the GPF, it's subtle but it was there. The Temptation lift was riskier, but they seemed to have shelved it right after Finlandia, maybe because it was a problem or it was too long? I have no idea.

The opposite happens to me with their FD. At Finlandia I was unsure about it, now I love it. The music doesn't help them at all and still they manage to create something really special on the ice, I appreciate that and I think they should be proud. The choreography is genius, it truly is and it is simply because it recreates scenes from the movie and that is not easy. The fact that they worked alongside Zueva to create it should make them feel really proud too, which would also explain Scott's frustration at the GPF. They are invested in this program in a different way. Like I said before, I wouldn't add anything but that may be because I am a fan of the movie and the themes present in the program are so clear to me. My guess is this is not the case with the judges. Maybe they should make an effort and watch the film.

[Macassar88]

They weren't getting level 4 with the temptation lift anymore

[Golightly]

They weren't getting level 4 with the temptation lift anymore

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said there was a problem. But it wasn't too sharp at Finlandia, that's why I assumed it didn't get a level 4, but they shelved it so quickly. If they want to recycle a lift, they could've used something better, they certainly have better lifts than the one they are using now.

[Macassar88]

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said there was a problem. But it wasn't too sharp at Finlandia, that's why I assumed it didn't get a level 4, but they shelved it so quickly. If they want to recycle a lift, they could've used something better, they certainly have better lifts than the one they are using now.

I totally agree. The new lift should be changed
I think the other thing is that the temptation lift never looked secure from my view. Maybe it was because the only times I saw it was during their first performances of the year. However, I want a new lift especially since Davis and White's SD lift is

[aka_gerbil]

Don't take anything Sliver says seriously. And I (and I believe others weren't/) referring to the D/W thread when I said their were people that were blaming T/S for the ISU issuing a calculation error in the GPF FD; it was in another thread and more specifically another forum.

Granted, I don't ever venture into the D/W thread, but I was referring to comments seen in non-FSU parts of the interwebs. I think the majority on fsu know enough about skating and ISJ to get that however the error was caught, it needed to be fixed because of the potential to affect multiple teams at multiple skill levels all over the world.

There are some people out there (on two different livejournal communities)who don't get the whole big picture and are blaming Tessa and Scott for the error being caught and fixed... because, you know, someone catching an error in the ISU judging software and pointing that out is a terrible, horrible thing to do.

[Shayii]

Granted, I don't ever venture into the D/W thread, but I was referring to comments seen in non-FSU parts of the interwebs. I think the majority on fsu know enough about skating and ISJ to get that however the error was caught, it needed to be fixed because if the potential to affect multiple teams at multiple skill levels all over the world.

There are some people out there (on two different livejournal communities)who don't get the whole big picture and are blaming Tessa and Scott for the error being caught and fixed... because, you know, someone catching an error in the ISU judging software and pointing that out is a terrible, horrible thing to do.

Lol yes those are the ones I was referring to and another person in a different FSU thread. I couldn't believe what they were saying at LJ. I mean all they had to do was read the article, it had nothing to do with the comments Scott made. But to be honest I wasn't really angry (more annoyed) because about 97% of the people at LJ despise T/S for some unknown reason, until one poster resorted to some so uncalled for name calling. Seriously, like I said there I wish Scott had just kept his big mouth shut because certain people now have something to grasp at to justify what horrible, evil, unsportsman, sore losers they are

Rant over, yes I agree with others I don't like the lift they now have in the SD, they've now used it in three programs, but with different variations. I love the temptation lift, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the reason they got rid of it was because they weren't gonna get a level 4 on it.

ETA: Oops, gerbil I just saw the mistake I made in my previous post I meant to say I believe others were as well.

[Shayii]

Happy New Years everybody!! I hope and pray the new year brings wonderful things for everybody including Tessa and Scott! And haters can suck it!!

[Carmen Ovsiannikov]

When B&A competed I understood (well to a certain point) where some of the criticism came from but I never thought that V&M would be one of those teams whos skating skills or any part of their programs (aside from program theme or obvious mistakes) would have to be defended. What Tessa and Scott do, they do so well I'm still in shock that anyone would be buying into any argument that they are just being beaten/passed by a better team.

Also after the GPF results wasn't the first time that Scott had asserted his and Tessa's superiority to other teams. IMHO, it's only become a huge deal this time around because of who he said it about.

Shayii, I also wish Scott has waited until he and Tessa were alone to complains and left it up to other skaters or coaches to speak up instead.

The FD is fine the most technically difficult out there but if Judges are too stupid to follow or understand the story line than they are dumb they practically recreated flawlessly the entire movie in front of their eyes. Also losing 5 points for a fall made no sense i don`t recall the olympic champs grishuk and Platov getting marked down like that when Platov fell their fans pointed out they were still better than their competition even with the falls.
Also its not just Scott that complained even famous Ice dancer Zhulin could not understand the result and why V&M lost the fd.

IMO sliver actually makes some interesting and valid points; unfortunately because sliver is very blunt about D&W people tend to dismiss them.

I remember the discussions and discontent surrounding G&P and them still being able to win even with falls. It is possible for a team with superior skating skills to win with mistakes over teams with no mistakes but who aren't as strong.

It reminds me of the pairs final at 2003 worlds when Scott/Dulebohn skated a "perfect" program by their standards but finished in the lower top ten. People were crying bloody murder, especially since Totmianina/Marinin weren't as perfect or liked by the fans but finished higher. Like G&P, the overall excellence of T&M's basic skaing skills were figured in and resulted in them finished higher than S&D.

Sometimes I wonder if all the fuss over the years perhaps due to lack of knowledge on the parts of some skating fans is why a fall is now considered enough to dump a team who still should be racking up points in other areas of CoP. Isn't CoP still judged in segments or has that changed? It's possible to lose points in one area but still be able to increase point totals in others.

Sasha Cohen's silver medal in Torino also comes to mind.

I do think D&W rightfully won the SD but I agree with those who feel that the 5 point difference was out of line. I watched V&M's SD on youtube then again on a normal sized television. Frankly, I don't feel Scott's fall took away from the overall effect of the program. If I had turned on the television after the fall I honestly wouldn't have noticed anything went wrong until the commentators had commented on it.

I have no idea what will happen at Worlds, I'll only hope for the best.