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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    Rotational lift - 4 turns from Tessa in difficult position + 5 Scott turns - level 3. For level 4 they need difficult exit from this lift. So maybe tech controller at Natioanls think there exit from rotational lift wasnt difficult.
    They got level 4 at all their other comps this year. So why only level 3 here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
    They got level 4 at all their other comps this year. So why only level 3 here?
    Because at Nationals tech. controller think exit wasnt difficult, when all others thought it was really difficult? At first i thought Tessa didnt have enough turns in difficult position, but for me look like she did 4 turns. Maybe i miss something?

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    Like I said, the only issue I saw was that Tessa didn't grab her blade quick enough, but it was a very minor mistake, in fact you can see grabbed it back almost immediately. As for the turns, I didn't notice anything out of order either. Maybe someone with a more technical eye here can tell us where they dropped the level because I cannot see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golightly View Post
    Like I said, the only issue I saw was that Tessa didn't grab her blade quick enough, but it was a very minor mistake, in fact you can see grabbed it back almost immediately. As for the turns, I didn't notice anything out of order either. Maybe someone with a more technical eye here can tell us where they dropped the level because I cannot see it.
    I see they both did right numbers of turns and this gave them level 3. So - not difficult exit. I am sure at Nationals coaches and skaters had explanation about there levels and what they need to fix before next competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    So - not difficult exit.
    But... that makes no sense. They've been using the same exit all season long and how is that not difficult enough? Because they make it look easy? She's over his shoulders, legs wrapped around herself and his rotating her very, very fast and oh my god, Tessa must have the strongest legs because to control that movement until he gently puts her back on the ice is NOT easy. I am so confused. I am befuddled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golightly View Post
    But... that makes no sense. They've been using the same exit all season long and how is that not difficult enough? Because they make it look easy? She's over his shoulders, legs wrapped around herself and his rotating her very, very fast and oh my god, Tessa must have the strongest legs because to control that movement until he gently puts her back on the ice is NOT easy. I am so confused. I am befuddled.
    Maybe because this look easy Like i post before, i am sure, they was told, why they get this low level and they could fix this.

    This really interetsting to know, who will be technickal controller at 4CC and WCh/ I am sure at WCh this will be someone form USA or Russia, because they will not have ajudge at Worlds.

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    That's my problem: why do they need to fix the exit when it does not need fixing? That rotational is great just they way it is. How many skaters out there can pull off that position? Tessa and a very, very few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golightly View Post
    That's my problem: why do they need to fix the exit when it does not need fixing? That rotational is great just they way it is. How many skaters out there can pull off that position? Tessa and a very, very few.
    This could be a little mistake forn young technickal controller technickal pannel could missed something? I think it will be interesting, if commentators could explane to us such things like lift levels ad dedactions.
    I was wonder, when they removed Temptation lift from SD, because technickal specialists didnt think this is 4 level lift. But it very difficult and beutifull - i miss it.

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    The full teleconference for D/W is on the US Championships page on ice network... they talk about Marina and Igor splitting their time between their teams and Scott's off-the-cuff remark at the GPF. They seem like nice people... I wish Skate Canada would release the teleconferences like United States Figure Skating does.

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    FWIW, here's the Level 4 lift requirements:

    OPTION 1.a)
    Requirements for Level 3 Option 1

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    Creative/Difficult Entry
    OPTION 1.b)
    Lifted partner sustains a Difficult Pose through at least 5 rotations or moves through a Change of Pose
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    Lifting partner moves through at least 6 rotations

    OPTION 2
    Requirements for Level 3 Option 2
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    One Hand/Arm
    I'm guessing they lost the level because Tessa was late to grab her foot and so was not in the "difficult pose" for the full 5 rotations required for level four. In that case, the level would drop back to 3, since those requirements were satisfied.

    But I'm not an expert-it would be nice if a real expert would tell us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI View Post
    FWIW, here's the Level 4 lift requirements:



    I'm guessing they lost the level because Tessa was late to grab her foot and so was not in the "difficult pose" for the full 5 rotations required for level four. In that case, the level would drop back to 3, since those requirements were satisfied.

    But I'm not an expert-it would be nice if a real expert would tell us.
    but who is? would a tech caller even browse through this forum?

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    It's worth remembering that because of the possibility of a time violation, teams can't just plan an extra rotation to be sure the lifted partner is in the difficult position long enough, if there is some delay getting into the difficult position. Everything has to be just right to get the levels without concurrently getting a time violation. It's -.5 to drop the level, but -1 for the time violation, so the risk of dropping the level is the better risk to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DORISPULASKI View Post
    FWIW, here's the Level 4 lift requirements:



    I'm guessing they lost the level because Tessa was late to grab her foot and so was not in the "difficult pose" for the full 5 rotations required for level four. In that case, the level would drop back to 3, since those requirements were satisfied.

    But I'm not an expert-it would be nice if a real expert would tell us.

    I don't think you are reading that correctly.

    The first option for a Level Four is:
    Requirements for Level 3 Option 1
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    Creative/Difficult Entry

    The Requirements for Level 3 Option 1 are:
    Lifted partner sustains a Difficult Pose through at least 4 rotations or moves through a Change of Pose
    AND
    Lifting partner moves through at least 5 rotations

    AND with a Creative/Difficult Entry makes it a Level 4

    Which is similar to the situation pani described although I believe she mentioned exit instead of entry.

    The next option are the rotations 5 and 6 you brought up.

    And then there is a third option having to do with one hand/arm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pani View Post
    This could be a little mistake forn young technickal controller technickal pannel could missed something? I think it will be interesting, if commentators could explane to us such things like lift levels ad dedactions.
    I was wonder, when they removed Temptation lift from SD, because technickal specialists didnt think this is 4 level lift. But it very difficult and beutifull - i miss it.
    The late blade grab is the only thing I could see. I too wish we could get an explanation.

    I miss that lift, too. I believe Tessa said in an interview with pingu that they removed this lift because, due to the pattern of the SD, it left a little loop. I have to say, I like the new lift but I just don't like the distribution of elements in this new version of the SD and therefore hope they revert to the old one. I am curious to see what will happen at 4CC. IMO Tessa and Scott are clearly the best at accentuating the rhythm with their entire bodies. Some people just shake their hips a bit, or throw their arms around--but Tessa and Scott really get the complexity of these rhythms, and that makes them stand out from the rest, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proustable View Post
    b) Should there be a choice, I'd almost rather the Nationals caller was tough. It forces the skaters to improve beyond a shadow of a doubt.
    ITA. I really think this will push V&M even more.

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    I think all this just emphasizes how great it would be to have someone who could comment on the levels during competitions. By the time Tracy did other broadcasts the past weekend surely she could have found out why they got certain levels. It just seems it would have been a lot more helpful instead of just saying she felt they were underappreciated. Unless of course she heard something else and couldn't say on air
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerpower View Post
    My concern goes beyond V/M, I am concerned for P/I and R/H as well.
    This is my concern, as well. I could not believe the difference in PCS between P&I and G&P. I am really excited about G&P and am happy they skated so well but I thought P&I skated closer together with more complex holds and more difficult transitions. And despite the little bobbles, P&I had far more polish, IMO. Just look at their line and posture. I also think they have better musicality. They gave such a nuanced performance...subtle and understated....a sort of quiet power. I had chills.

    and I was so impressed by R&H. Remember when we saw this at Nebelhorn? Many of us were excited back then and it has been great to see this program develop. I find their posture and expression are much improved this season and also think their connection has grown. I love the intricacy of their program. There is something really different about this team...I feel like they have a clear vision of who they are/want to be out on the ice yet still remain open to trying new things. I was sad to see G&P surpass them by so many points with a less difficult program. I am utterly perplexed at the scoring.


    Quote Originally Posted by Proustable View Post
    1. It tarnishes the bronze itself.

    2. It reads of more than just Nationals inflation. I fully expect that score-wise, G/P will start closing in on W/P next season, and that's a festering pile of crap.
    I fear the same thing...I am hoping it is just a Willy Wonka -induced trance and the judges will snap out of it next season?
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    International judges really like Weaver and Poje they now have fans all over the world and could win a medal this year, gilles and poirier are a barely new team still untested internationally i think weaver and poje are safe from them till sochi.

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    I hope so!

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