At first it seemed she was just taking quotes from the icenetwork article but it's the first time I see quotes from Charlie regarding Scott´s comment at GPF.
eta...Not surprised to read they handled it better then the fans though
Come on, you can do it
The competitors all have the right attitude. Certain members of FSU would do well to follow their example.
what i find surprizing is that we haven't gotten any comment from v/m on the calculation error. that said, i read an article on cynthia on the globeandmail.com (canada's biggest national newspaper) so i expect an article on v/m pretty soon.
Tessa and Scott have a tendency to lay low while training, so I don't expect anything too soon. Very nice article btw.
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I like how Canadian press and SC support there skaters
Even if some people forget about what Scott said at GPF - we let you know
Scott is punished and now it is forbidden to it to talk So we will not find anything from them - Marina didnt let him and he now сarries White bags now.
The time to show D-W are Angels- good work, Marina!
Especially i love this
Although Virtue and Moir are Olympic champions, Davis and White remain undefeated over the past two seasons, but their scores are always close.
Why V-M need to compete - even Canada understand, D-W are Gods
Pani your post is just ridiculous.
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Sorry, but i really cant understand canadian press. Cant remember some good posts about russian ice dancers at Global and Mail And i cant remember V-M interviews in USA press (only in a village Canton press ).
This is really sad, becuase i thought this situation at GPF will move Tessa and Scott to made changes (like someone post - its the end of Shpilband). But now they made impression - who listening Scott? He always talk something crazy, we know this and now he feel guilty. And most sad thing is - Scott didnt understand (from this angels interview) he and Tessa outgrow Сanton.
Maybe Tessa, like Dube, didnt want to try new things? But if she deside to compete she need improve and show something new, but not this Zueva-style.
And sorry, i will not post this again, but i really cant understand - why all V-M fans must like D-W? Sorry, but i like russian ice dancers more.....
You don't have to like Davis and White, no one's said you have to like Davis and White, god knows I can't stand their "dancing", but you don't have to be obsessed with them either, Pani. To you it's as if V-M's skating were defined in terms of what D-W can or cannot do and that is just so, so unfair. It's as if I sat in front of my computer all day writing that I hate Nadal because I like Federer. So, calm down a bit, stop making war and enjoy Virtue and Moir for who they are: pure dancers.
You could doing what you want
If i think V-M overgrow Canton - i will post this. If i think this was the last chance for V-M to change situation and to push there limits - i will post this. They didnt understand this& OK, but this made me sad. You could be a friends, but you need to work on your own future.
Both teams have very different styles. IMHO, I do think what V/M do is pure ice dance, and in its own very special class, and what they do is not getting sufficient recognition this season. I don't think the issue is with the programs or the coaches. Their FD is so intricate and incredible - just brilliant. It's with how judges are perceiving and scoring them. And this is not just true of V/M as compared to D/W, but other teams as well. We see it at Challenge and I'm sure we will see it at Nationals. There seems to be a perception with judges that speed and power equals good skating. Look at the over-scoring of Gilles/Poirier. I also think some of those BC teams are overscored, including Orford/Williams. Ice dance should not be a speed skating contest. It should be about the quality of movement....the dancing on ice. The unison between the partners, the lines, the edges, the turns, matching quality. D/W are very, very good skaters who I love to watch, but I agree with Scott that on PCS, they are not as good as V/M, and should not be scored so closely. I'd expect D/W and V/M to basically tie on the technical mark, with D/W sometimes having the edge. But I don't really think they are that close on PCS. D/W have more raw power and speed than V/M. But they miss on line, edge, unison, quality of movement. Both teams have programs that match their particular style. I think that the judges are just too used to thinking power and speed equals the better team than watching for the details and quality of movement. It's a general trend right now, and V/M are pushing that boundary. I really hope it works, and we see ice dance move more in the direction of V/M style than D/W style. That's just my opinion. But I also note that Zhulin said basically the same thing in a recent interview.
"They don't understand this". Neither do I.
They don't understand that you know much better? When did that happen? You became the expert on what they need? Who they are? What they think?
That's being a fan to a whole different level. Scott's opinion doesn't agree with yours. So - of course this means Scott isn't doing what you want because he "doesn't understand" that you know what's best for him. So - you understand Scott's career better - he is blind to Marina, D/W, Tessa, judges, but you can see. Poor Scott. You are the only one who can help Scott but he won't listen. You understand Scott better than everybody - what he needs, what he wants. Poor Scott, so emotional but no brains.
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But wasnt this Z-Sh who made this new ice dance style - speed and power without dancing? They bring this style on the top and this direction for this 4 years before OG. They couldnt give there teams such base, like V-M recived from there previose coaches, like Nechaeve-Tsesnitsenko gave to there teams, so they made new pro-Davis style So V-M show ice dance like it was before Davis era. Did Zueva work on V-M? Dont think so. But coaches sing this song again - we give all the same, its bad bad uncle in ISU didnt let you to be on top again.It's with how judges are perceiving and scoring them. And this is not just true of V/M as compared to D/W, but other teams as well.
There programs (even SD) - good for junior sport, but not for team, who need to get there gold at WCh back.
Yes, it there own career. But its not enough to think you are the best and didnt impove emotionally and still skate you junior programs. Sometime you could lose, but people will rememberyou forever. But V-M now lose with programs, wich in next year nobody will remember You couldnt all time be sweet young boy and girl even if Marina couldnt give you more.So - you understand Scott's career better
You need to fight, but not after your words made impression - o, i feel sorry, Canton is a Paradise, we all like the owm family.
Funny Face isn't a junior program. It's sophisticated - much more sophisticated than D/W's program.
What I see above is "I, a fan" understand this better. "My" judgment of the program is correct. "Everybody" see things one way after GPF - these are the problems, but Scott and Tessa didn't fix the problems. Where does all this come from - the expertise of a fan? Even more - a fan acting like *I* know Scott better.
When did a fan become the expert on the programs? They're not junior programs. Fred Astaire is one of the most sophisticated popular performers in history. Gershwin is a sophisticated composer of popular music. There is nothing more senior about skating super drama characters, toys, circus or nonhuman things.
Scott and Tessa didn't have problems just because you think so. Even if they do have problems, when did you become the expert on the problems they might have and the proper solutions? And everybody is to blame except for Scott. Even take the needle to Tessa. So you know Scott like a mother but a mother who knows best.
As for not hearing anything out of V/M press-wise, I'd imagine that they're training like crazy right now and we'll likely see press here in the next few weeks as Canadian Nationals get closer.
pani, I think you have one point: I don't think North American, or for that matter British, teams have ever gotten the international scores I thought they should have when skating to a Fred Astaire program. (At this point in time, I'm not remembering too many non North American teams dancing to Astaire, although there may well have been some, only F&S and they were underscored too.
Faiella & Scali for their Follow the Fleet OD
I am particularly thinking of Blumberg & Seibert 1983:
and Torvill & Dean 1994
or for that matter, to tap dance routines in general:
Suzie Wynne & Joe Druar 1990
In fact, you could make a case for step dancing in general
Bourne & Kraatz River Dance, for example.
Staccato tap/step dances don't show off your edges, and the rapid steps impede your speed. If the judges don't have any emotional attachment to tap dance or step dance, or respect for Astaire as a cultural hero (as he is in the US and Canada), they just aren't going to appreciate that sort of program as well as some other programs.
However, Tessa has wanted to do this program for a long, long time. She is an adult. If she went to another coach, do you suppose that coach would have been able to keep her from doing Fred & Audrey?
If anything, S&Z are rather permissive as to music choice with their teams. IMO, they should have prevented B&A from doing That's Entertainment, but Tanith & Ben explicitly wanted to do that program. And frankly, Meryl & Charlie would have been better off with something other than Phantom of the Opera for an Olympic year (again, IMO), but Charlie was set on doing Phantom.
If Tessa & Scott hated that sort of coaching, I think they would have left years ago.