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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Randy Starkman of the Toronto Star weighs in: Patrick Chan said nothing wrong – in fact he’s dead right
    ITA with Randy's take on the interview. And he's also correct in saying that this controversy has most likely generated more interest in the GPF. I'm sure there will be people tuning in hoping to see Patrick fail, but if he wins for Canada he just may change their minds.

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    Regardless of how people feel about his comments, this is it for Chans career or sponsorship opportunities. Canadian Corporations will never sponsor a "traitor".

    The Globe and Mail article currently has 441 responses, 412 of them negative. That is more exposure than any article on figure skating has gotten in the Globe, even more than Joannie Rochettes mom dying - which only got 350ish the first day.

    MASSIVE negative exposure.

    He should have laid the blame where it belonged, at Skate Canada's doorstep. Their clownish promotional skills have really collapsed public interest in Canadian figure skating over the last 3 years.

    Patrick Chan won't recover from this. It has already gone viral. He will be addressing his lack of patriotism for rest of his life. Unfortunately all Skate Canada' athletes will pay the price for it, as interest in skating now hyper collapses.

    Expect many in vain, Patriotic statements from Chan, waving the Canadian flag, which nobody will see. The "traitor" frame has already been cast.

    I expect a lot of denial and defending comments, but I have worked in marketing for a while. I've seen many times over, how things like this actually end. It takes massive amounts of press and media to counter something like this, and even then, around 50% of people still take your first statement as your true feeling, else why would you have said it. The best Patrick could do, with literally millions of dollars in counter PR, is to split the opinion.

    Welcome to the nasty reality of a world ruled by "sound bites".
    Last edited by Hirschel; 12-08-2011 at 04:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
    Chan has to know that skating isn't as popular now compared to the Browning and Stojko days. Also those guys won multiple world titles whereas Chan only has.
    Exactly, Patrick can't expect the same kind of recognition with 1 world gold as Kurt with 4, or Elvis with 3. Plus as Champions they actively promoted skating in Canada - made themselves available to the media, did special appearances, worked for numerous charities, appeared in shows and tours, and generally did everything they could to help raise the profile of the sport, to benefit not only themselves but other Canadian skaters as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCFan View Post
    I'm sure there will be people tuning in hoping to see Patrick fail, but if he wins .....
    And if both happen?

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    Did I miss the part where he kicked a puppy? Because obviously I'm missing something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafter View Post
    Chan has to know that skating isn't as popular now compared to the Browning and Stojko days. Also those guys won multiple world titles whereas Chan only has one.
    I think he knows and is simply lamenting the fact that the popularity of his sport is nowhere near what it is in other countries.

    I'd say Chan's comments were in part lament and in part short sided. Neither of which makes him a bad person.
    I think he's looking at things through a figure skating perspective. The reality of skating in China and being a part of the government funded sports system involves more than being financially funded. Also what of life outside of skating for his parents? His parents migrated from their home country for a variety of reasons that have nothing to do with skating and everything to do with things like education, jobs, quality of life etc. For such a filter free guy, I wonder if he's considered the filter he'd have to live through in a Chinese system? There are bigger prices to pay and sacrifices to make than the monetary.

    I've no doubt in the next few days we'll get a few nice quotes about his love of Canada and I'll have no doubt about his sincerity. I think he loves his country but took a short sided view in the lament of the state of the sport in Canada and his financial hardships. He's a smart guy, but at 20 still very young. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badams View Post
    Did I miss the part where he kicked a puppy? Because obviously I'm missing something.
    Naw, it's just Patrick being Patrick and people getting their knickers tied up in a knot about about it. I'm agreeing with Starkman - much ado about nothing yet again and let's play the blame game with Chan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia View Post
    Randy Starkman of the Toronto Star weighs in: Patrick Chan said nothing wrong – in fact he’s dead right
    Finally a voice of reason, and someone who actually took Chan's comments in their proper context! Chan can be criticized for many things, but nothing in this article reads as anything but a musing on the state of figure skating and his renewed pride in his Chinese heritage, something we actually encourage here in Canada. This was an interview conducted after his first ever visit to China, the country of his parents' birth, and he was understandably emotional about it. He was born in Canada, raised Canadian, competes for Canada, and of course considers himself to be Canadian. Give it a rest people!

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    The Toronto Star article perseverates about how Patrick didn't say he wanted to compete for China. Yes, we know.

    He appears to be grossly underestimating the sacrifices he and his family would have to make had he been a Chinese skater. No, they wouldn't have to pay for his training but there are other forms of sacrifice.

    I don't know what goes on in Canada in terms of skating popularity but to my rude Amerikan eye it seems that it's more popular than it is in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hirschel View Post
    Regardless of how people feel about his comments, this is it for Chans career or sponsorship opportunities. Canadian Corporations will never sponsor a "traitor".

    The Globe and Mail article currently has 441 responses, 412 of them negative. That is more exposure than any article on figure skating has gotten in the Globe, even more than Joannie Rochettes mom dying - which only got 350ish the first day.

    MASSIVE negative exposure.

    He should have laid the blame where it belonged, at Skate Canada's doorstep. Their clownish promotional skills have really collapsed public interest in Canadian figure skating over the last 3 years.

    Patrick Chan won't recover from this. It has already gone viral. He will be addressing his lack of patriotism for rest of his life. Unfortunately all Skate Canada' athletes will pay the price for it, as interest in skating now hyper collapses.

    Expect many in vain, Patriotic statements from Chan, waving the Canadian flag, which nobody will see. The "traitor" frame has already been cast.

    I expect a lot of denial and defending comments, but I have worked in marketing for a while. I've seen many times over, how things like this actually end. It takes massive amounts of press and media to counter something like this, and even then, around 50% of people still take your first statement as your true feeling, else why would you have said it. The best Patrick could do, with literally millions of dollars in counter PR, is to split the opinion.

    Welcome to the nasty reality of a world ruled by "sound bites".
    I'm afraid some folks are going to take it this way, regardless of what he claims to have meant.

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    Here we go again. A traitor?! Please.

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    I don't think I have ever seen a skating interview get so misconstrued by the masses than this one; and if there is one, I don't want to see it.

    He said all those things for sure, but I have a feeling shite interview skills and bad editing are more to blame, than Chan being a cad.

    "I skate just to satisfy my own desire and not care about other people's desire for me to do well. I barely have any interest any more in how well I do in competitions. I want to skate well but my main concern is to satisfy myself and make myself enjoy what I do on the ice and hopefully the audience can feel the same thing.
    I think people are thinking he doesn't care about competing anymore and that's not how I perceive it. I think skating is just as much about the journey to get there than the end result and if you do 100% and feel great about the performance, even 4th place feels pretty nice. That's all that matters to him; doing the best job he can and hopefully the audience enjoys it.

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    Bad editing for sure!
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    I kind of understand what he is saying. He looks Chinese, his nationality is Canadian, and he trains in the U.S. The fact that he is split between cultures could affect his fan appeal. Since he doesn't do appearances in the U.S. (that I know of), I couldn't say. If it is true that he doesn't do Canadian tours either, that could affect his recognition factor in Canada as well.

    As far as the grass being greener in China, I don't know about that for a singles skater. Chen Lu had to travel quite a bit to train, and she felt that not having any Chinese judges to support her affected her career. The interviews I've read with Bin Yao indicate that skating is not growing in China in spite of his success with the pairs. I see mostly empty seats at the Cup of China.

    Skating does appear to be big in Korea and Japan right now, but in the 90's it was big in North America, so things could change at any time - just ask the former Soviet skaters.

    Maybe Patrick's problem is that he has had too many choices in his life. He doesn't feel a part of any one culture because he has never committed to one. He is always looking to see where the grass is greener.

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    It's interesting that some of the comments under the G&M article are people defending Chan and bringing race into it. That if he were caucasian like Browning and Stojko, he'd be a lot more famous in Canada. Something I had never really pondered before.

    Anyway, Chan isn't the first and won't be the last amateur athlete in Canada to complain about the Canadian public and media only paying attention to Olympic sports once every 4 years. For sure I've heard Adam van Koeverden complaining about this and the fact that once the Olympics are over, all the Canadian public and media cares about is NHL hockey.

    ETA: I also think it's quite natural for Chan as he gets older to start having more positive feeling about his ethnicity. All one has to do is be in Toronto during any World Cup of Soccer tourny to see how proud Cdn immigrants are of their homeland/ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mevrouw View Post
    His parents financial outlay wasn't only for skating. He atteneded the elite private The Toronto French School for high school (an perhaps before). That's big $$ in itself. And definitely a choice as there are French immersion public schools around the city.
    Actually Patrick attended Ecole Etienne Brule, a French language public high school (not French immersion), which was also attended by Paul Poirier.

    He did not have to pay to attend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex View Post
    Trapped Between Two Worlds? Who is he, Han Suyin? How melodramatic !!

    Trapped Between Two Worlds, Starring Patrick Chan and ______________(insert name of b/c-list actress here, preferably Canadian)

    Is it true that he's not getting props like Stojko and Browning? Isn't their medal count on the national and international scene a little higher than his?
    Almost as dramatic as "Torn between 2 Lovers (feeling like a fool)".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparks View Post
    Almost as dramatic as "Torn between 2 Lovers (feeling like a fool)".
    Godawful song, that inspired a really bad TV movie with my beloved Lee Remick.

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    Patrick was named as Sportsnet's Athlete of the Year this morning. Nice to see him being recognized. I hope this makes him feel better about things, he sounds thrilled with the announcement.
    http://www.sportsnet.ca/more/2011/12/08/chan_award/

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    Quote Originally Posted by aftershocks View Post
    The comment that strikes me as sad is,

    Chan: "I barely have any interest any more in how well I do in competitions."

    Well, why should he??? This is why I happen to think the judges are absolutely doing him no favors by continuing to score him high marks when he makes many mistakes in his programs. How can you have any frame of reference for improving when you pretty much realize that no matter if you skate clean or wobble on footwork and fall on 2 or 3 jumps, you still have the competition in the bag.
    Pretty much. Anyone who watches and sees that he is a lock to win every event even with 5 or 6 falls naturally thinks:

    1. The sport and how it is scored is often a joke. A major turn off.

    2. You know he is going to win every event anyway, and he doesnt have to skate well to do it, so who cares.

    3. The field must suck (which it doesnt but judges allow that impression) if someone who keeps making so many mistakes in many of his events can keep winning.

    So why would anyone care. That even few Canadians are interested is understandable and wont change until the judges start scoring him reasonably.

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